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Dusk-Hunter

PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 9:26 pm


This is a discussion of the Greek Mythos, namely the gods. I was reading about them today, and the conclusion I came to was that they had some serious character flaws. While some might say that this is to humanize them, they seem almost exaggerated extremely in that direction. Most of them were involved in scandalous relationships, all but one of the males had at least one Eremenos, and they were extremely petty and tempermental.

A perfect example was the story of Prometheus. Prometheus(means "forethought") the Titan gave man fire because his brother, Epimethus(means "afterthought"), gave all the gifts to the other creatures before making man. Zeus responded by chaining him to the top of the Caucausus and having an eagle eat his liver every day, since, being immortal, he healed from the previous day's torture. This hardly seems wise, and it sounds a great deal like the Gods were a bunch of children playing with people's lives like toys.

Now, why would anyone believe in Gods such as these? If people make their mythology, why would people create Gods that torment them and make their lives difficult? Zeus loosed all the evils on the world, via Pandora, just so he might torment Prometheus all the more.

This is a recent study for me, and a new one, so I'm not sure on much of what I've read, but here's the place to be enlightened.

Discuss
-The Greek Mythos
-The behavior and lack of responsibility of the Greek Pantheon
-The idea behind the Greek Mythos
PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 8:42 am


I think the storytellers did this on purpose so that the listeners could relate to the many situations that the Gods would get into. And with human characteristics such as anger, saddness, joy, etc., they aid in many of the lessons learned from the myths. *shrugs* Though I do have to agree they are pretty disfunctional. Heh, strange how deities have changed over time. Norse mythology followed very similiar to the Roman/Greeks with how their Gods also carried human flaws with them. It seems it wasn't till Judeaism came in which a perfect God exist, but even then, that God was a jealous and angry god.

Maku the Dark

Wheezing Smoker


tatterkin

PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 1:59 pm


The character flaws always humanized them to reality for me, they make the stories stay with you no matter when you heard them.
They were almost a demonstration of what humans would get up to if they had the power.
The tales also reflected back the age in which they were told and some of the harsh realities.
What I ask is in that situation could you believe in the Christian god as he’s perceived now? Benevolent, kind, forgiving or the ancient Greeks version .Seems like a way of dealing with things beyond your control, it was those gods sat up on that mountain.

I find it interesting that they had a thing for great and terrible female/ part female monsters. Women were suppose to be 'subservient' but were portrayed as fearsome in some myths and legends I think they showed some of what was considered to be valued wisdom, like
'Don’t mock the gods or those in power; they tend to get nasty about it: you may wind up with 8 legs and a web'.
PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 11:31 pm


It's all because of troubled childhoods. Zeus got eaten alive by his father, who wouldn't be a little off after that?

MythosRattus


Lady Kessar

PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 10:29 am


They found explanations (supernatural/religious) to explain everything that happened to them. They didn't want to blame themselves (humans are still like this) and they wanted answers. Perfect answer: The Gods.
PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 9:24 pm


It's things that humans tend to do. They seek out a scape goat for all their mistakes and/or wrong doings and then exploit the hell out of it making it look like they're perfect or innocent.

Tsunami Silver Dragon


jiesa

PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 10:07 pm


You forget that storytelling was a large part of Greek entertainment (as tv is today).

To tell stories of the gods was to gain the gods' favor. But who wants to listen to boring stories? So, of course the gods had to have amazing back stories so that people wouldn't get bored. Also, if storytellers added new scandals with every telling, they could lengthen the lifetime of a single story and not have to memorize new ones (as a storyteller couldn't very well read aloud for an audience!). After hundreds of years of adding small touches with every telling, the stories, of course, got pretty convoluted. There are probably actually many more stories and scandals that the gods went through over the years that never got written down for us to read today. I'm sure that specific storytellers also had their own collection of myths to tell about each god, as well. Having more stories (or being able to make up more interesting stories on the fly) as well as having more interesting stories would translate directly into money, as people would be willing to pay more for better stories.
PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 12:07 am


I think they felt that their life is being played then they coiled it with the concept of god. The believe of god is probably commonly heard around that time already. How god act and behave is probably how human view people and the world around themselves.

Slumber Hermit


Dusk-Hunter

PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 11:01 am


I just can't believe some of the things they supposedly did. Artemis put a man to sleep for all eternity, never aging, just so she could stare at him without losing her virginity to him. Come on!

You have the ultimate disloyal husband, the most jealous of all wives, married divinities constantly trying to show the other up. That's taking it a little far, I think.
PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 7:33 am


Dusk-Hunter
This is a discussion of the Greek Mythos, namely the gods. I was reading about them today, and the conclusion I came to was that they had some serious character flaws. While some might say that this is to humanize them, they seem almost exaggerated extremely in that direction. Most of them were involved in scandalous relationships, all but one of the males had at least one Eremenos, and they were extremely petty and tempermental.

A perfect example was the story of Prometheus. Prometheus(means "forethought") the Titan gave man fire because his brother, Epimethus(means "afterthought"), gave all the gifts to the other creatures before making man. Zeus responded by chaining him to the top of the Caucausus and having an eagle eat his liver every day, since, being immortal, he healed from the previous day's torture. This hardly seems wise, and it sounds a great deal like the Gods were a bunch of children playing with people's lives like toys.

Now, why would anyone believe in Gods such as these? If people make their mythology, why would people create Gods that torment them and make their lives difficult? Zeus loosed all the evils on the world, via Pandora, just so he might torment Prometheus all the more.

This is a recent study for me, and a new one, so I'm not sure on much of what I've read, but here's the place to be enlightened.

Discuss
-The Greek Mythos
-The behavior and lack of responsibility of the Greek Pantheon
-The idea behind the Greek Mythos


An opinion that I share from a Greek mythology book I own (the author's name escapes me) is that many tales of dysfunctional Greek gods were made up through song for the people's amusement. Like much of today's population, the Greeks didn't tire of hearing about disputes, affairs and arguments of the Gods. Sort of like a soap opera. They believed the Gods and Goddesses themselves were real, but their behaviors were invented by the storytellers.
In the case of Prometheus, it might be the classical example of how Greeks sought answers for natural phenomenon. Fire, as well as other subjects such as how the world came to be, were explained in this manner.

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MyOwnBestCritic

Dapper Dabbler

PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 8:27 am


It's got a great deal to do with the storyteller's point of view. Back in those days, things like that probably weren't quite as petty as today... they had relationships with their families that are gross today, and I'm pretty sure there are other things that they tolerated that we, as a society, do not.
PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 7:29 pm


MyOwnBestCritic
It's got a great deal to do with the storyteller's point of view. Back in those days, things like that probably weren't quite as petty as today... they had relationships with their families that are gross today, and I'm pretty sure there are other things that they tolerated that we, as a society, do not.

Good point

Dusk-Hunter


Shintanai

PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 8:02 pm


they were really no better than man in that they constantly killed eachother
PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 4:50 pm


It seems to me that the character flaws are there to point out the consequences of cartain actions. Humans are told these myths on society from a young age and after awhile, cultural messages sink in. For example, the Greek myth of the love affair of Aphrodite(being unfaithful) and Mars, which ends in the lovers being ridiculed, seems to be warning people away from infidelity. however, my idea is contradicted in teh fact that Zeus never suffers real conseuqnces of his many affairs.

Hmmm...ponders

raining_lavender_knight


Fae Yin

Sparkly Genius

PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 6:05 pm


raining_lavender_knight
It seems to me that the character flaws are there to point out the consequences of cartain actions. Humans are told these myths on society from a young age and after awhile, cultural messages sink in. For example, the Greek myth of the love affair of Aphrodite(being unfaithful) and Mars, which ends in the lovers being ridiculed, seems to be warning people away from infidelity. however, my idea is contradicted in teh fact that Zeus never suffers real conseuqnces of his many affairs.

Hmmm...ponders



Your exactly right, actually. The Greeks used their myths to show life to them... so they showed the gods at their worst. Often they were exaggerations of certain characteristics. For example, Aphrodite and Hephaestus were married and Aphrodite was anything but faithful. There were many stories showing human nature concerning fedility, love and marriage, beauty, etc, at their worst and best...because that's what life was and greeks wanted to know of it.

That's part of the reason Plato had such a cow over the gods in his The Republic. He didn't want the gods to be such poor examples (since his thing was the "ideal form" he didn't go in for showing people how life really was )
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