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Minozake

PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 10:23 pm


What exactly is wrong with incest? I am basing it off this definition:

Dictionary.com
Dictionary.com
incest

1. sexual intercourse between closely related persons.


However, I am also tacking onto it. What is also wrong with romantic relationships between closely related people such as brother and sister?

Keep it at incest. Inbreeding is a whole different story, and genetics is all probability. Plus, it sucks to work out the probabilities.

Now, keep in mind, if a closely related couple does engage in incest, there are a few options to keep from inbreeding:

1) Couple may be homosexual
2) Couple may be infertile
3) Couple may use contraceptives
3a) In a worst case where #3 fails, couple may institute abortion*.

*=This is not a debate about abortion. This is only a possible option.

My Opinion:

I believe it is perfectly fine. What goes on behind closed doors between two consenting people. Except for inbreeding, I find that there is really no reason to ban such relationships from happening.
PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 10:33 pm


My relationship with my sister is very borderline incestuous. I'm not sure how it got to be so, but we are pretty over-friendly with each other. It scares people sometimes, but I find nothing wrong with it. We're just very close, and I love her like my sister more than a lover. I have a similar relationship with most of my friends, but I love them as friends and not as lovers.

I see nothing wrong with incest. Yes, it MIGHT produce messed-up children, and that isn't very good for society. I would hope incestuous couples would use discretion when getting involved and think about possible consequences. Then again, I say that about any couple.

The thing is, I don't find much incest unless it is the kind in which an adult is taking sexual advantage of a child. In such a case, it is not the incest I have a problem with, but the taking advantage. One should be able to trust family members, especially those they live with.

OrangeHotaru


GlassDaemon

PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 11:43 am


(Don't know how true this is) But I heard once that siblings having messed up children isn't any more possible than those that aren't related at all, the problem comes with cousins having the messed up brat.... Don't know why that is or, I repeat, even if that's true.
PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 1:13 pm


GlassDaemon
(Don't know how true this is) But I heard once that siblings having messed up children isn't any more possible than those that aren't related at all, the problem comes with cousins having the messed up brat.... Don't know why that is or, I repeat, even if that's true.


I have heard that the defects that result from close-blooded peoples having children don't show up until the second generation. I'm not sure about that, either...

OrangeHotaru


Tammpwn

PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 4:27 pm


While everyone is free to their own opinions, I think the major problem I have with incest, is that dating, and loving, is about meeting new people. I mean, I think the social taboo came up because of the genetic defect issue, but I think that two people raised very differently have more to share than two people with very similar backgrounds.
PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 5:05 pm


Aside from the moral taboos acciated with incest in our sociaty, I'm more worried about the physical repercusions should an incestuous couple have children. Its is very unhealty to be inbreed.

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Minozake

PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 6:10 pm


Dragon_Witch_Woman
Aside from the moral taboos acciated with incest in our sociaty, I'm more worried about the physical repercusions should an incestuous couple have children. Its is very unhealty to be inbreed.


The problem is genetics gets nasty when you work out probabilities.

You have maybe a little over 27,000 genes in the human body total. And then the genotype the genotype for the genes can be (universally expressed) AA, Aa, and aa.

Some genes would be fine, some genes would be homozygous recessive already by pure chance anyway, and some genes would just turn heterozygous. And then you'd have to find how many sex-linked traits there are. Possible sex-linked genotypes are XX, Xx, xx, XY, and xY.

In short, this is why I tried to choose not to discuss inbreeding. Unless someone is willing to do some serious number crunching (and research) to find out the probability of a reasonably normal child for first-generation inbred offspring, it's etchy to discuss unless we are talking about historical observations.
PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 6:35 pm


0mG,
nice.

I guess it is okay
as long as the ones
in the relationship
know what
the consequences are.

:]

CoManDo RaNd0


SeraphinaSiren

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 1:11 am


......Not into incest.....but I am close to my brothers. I got shot for my older twin brother, Jesse. (I got shot in my right shoulder so he wouldn't get shot in the heart). My little brother, Ryan, got cancer and I cut off all my hair for him. He used to have long hair and my hair used to be to my waist. So I cut extra off so he could have the same length that he did before he lost it. Now my hair is as short as my avi's....I kind of like it better that way. Also.....well lets just say that my brothers always got in trouble and I took all the punishments.... I have so many damn scars from those punishments it isn't funny....-_-;
PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 8:43 am


Incest is frowned upon because of social taboo and genetic repercussions. But really I have no problem w/ sibling incest, but I'm firmly against parent/child incest. That's *****.

Neaislove


Minozake

PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 6:03 pm


hatsuharuluvsyuki
Incest is frowned upon because of social taboo and genetic repercussions. But really I have no problem w/ sibling incest, but I'm firmly against parent/child incest. That's ***** class="clear">


Nope. It isn't.

***** is the attraction to prepubescent children.

It can be, but there is adolescents (attraction to is defined as Ephebophilia). And then another hole is that they can be adults. And, there is one other thing to point out:

Attraction is not equal to action.
PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 6:43 pm


Minozake
Dragon_Witch_Woman
Aside from the moral taboos acciated with incest in our sociaty, I'm more worried about the physical repercusions should an incestuous couple have children. Its is very unhealty to be inbreed.


The problem is genetics gets nasty when you work out probabilities.

You have maybe a little over 27,000 genes in the human body total. And then the genotype the genotype for the genes can be (universally expressed) AA, Aa, and aa.

Some genes would be fine, some genes would be homozygous recessive already by pure chance anyway, and some genes would just turn heterozygous. And then you'd have to find how many sex-linked traits there are. Possible sex-linked genotypes are XX, Xx, xx, XY, and xY.

In short, this is why I tried to choose not to discuss inbreeding. Unless someone is willing to do some serious number crunching (and research) to find out the probability of a reasonably normal child for first-generation inbred offspring, it's etchy to discuss unless we are talking about historical observations.


*is trying to comprehend, but I admit i'm tired so bear with me*

For me, reasons not to inbreed an back bread (back breeding is parent to child) all I have to look at dogs and the European monarchies. Sad but true.

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Minozake

PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 8:35 pm


Dragon_Witch_Woman
Minozake
Dragon_Witch_Woman
Aside from the moral taboos acciated with incest in our sociaty, I'm more worried about the physical repercusions should an incestuous couple have children. Its is very unhealty to be inbreed.


The problem is genetics gets nasty when you work out probabilities.

You have maybe a little over 27,000 genes in the human body total. And then the genotype the genotype for the genes can be (universally expressed) AA, Aa, and aa.

Some genes would be fine, some genes would be homozygous recessive already by pure chance anyway, and some genes would just turn heterozygous. And then you'd have to find how many sex-linked traits there are. Possible sex-linked genotypes are XX, Xx, xx, XY, and xY.

In short, this is why I tried to choose not to discuss inbreeding. Unless someone is willing to do some serious number crunching (and research) to find out the probability of a reasonably normal child for first-generation inbred offspring, it's etchy to discuss unless we are talking about historical observations.


*is trying to comprehend, but I admit i'm tired so bear with me*

For me, reasons not to inbreed an back bread (back breeding is parent to child) all I have to look at dogs and the European monarchies. Sad but true.


Yes. Just look at the probabilities as this:

Inaccurate.

However, the point about dogs and the Royal family:

I believe they were spread over... Many generations.
PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 1:49 pm


Hmm. Although I do believe it's rather more of a fetish/taboo thing, which not many people talk of.
I find it- well rather erotic to be blunt.
But I don't think I'd ever consider it. Ever. My family don't appeal to me. But I can understand why people would.
The children side of it, I believe is a little unfair. But I don't think incest part should involve children, unless they're sure they want the possible birth defcts.
Bringing a disabled/mutated/ deformed baby into this world is pretty inhumane, but if they're in love- couldn't they keep it with contraception?
It's rather like having a best friend and a lover? with a special bond.

CBHNJSUS


BunnyCupCakes

PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 3:18 pm


Love is love period.

Doesn't matter to me if they are cousins,brother,sister,homosexual,bisexual,straight...or whatever else.I've never had those kind of feelings towards my siblings/relatives though[and i don't think I ever will] but some people can't help what they feel.Some can keep it private & locked down deep in their hearts forever,or they just want to express how they truely feel for that other being.

I don't think there's nothing wrong with,it's just the consequences of having a child that they should be concerned about at some time [or they can adopt]

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