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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 8:54 am
Okay, so my current situation got me thinking. I'm at my Grandfathers house, and I have a raging headache. But my Grandfathers not here right now, so I can't ask him for medicine. And I know for a fact that if he were here he would give it to me.
Would it still be against that precept to go get it? (Not to take what is not freely given)
I'm just curious how far that rule goes, and what the limit is?
[Edit]
Also, I was wondering exactly what is considered sexual misconduct. Sex before marriage. Fetish type sex. Or more like sex with someone elses wife, and rape?
[Edit] One more question.
When one reaches nirvana, you are never reborn after that correct?
What happens to you. Do you go to some Heaven like place? Are those who have reached nirvana still looking down at earth?
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 9:50 am
Going to get medicine wouldn't be considered stealing since you know that your grandfather would give the medicine to you anyway. If you still feel bad about it, then just let him know that you took some and that way even if for some bizarre reason he gets upset, at least you were up front and truthful about it.
The precept about not stealing really refers to taking what isn't freely given, offered, or what really does not belong to you. It's not very cut-and-dry, so in circumstances like this you can consider that the medicine is being freely given, because you said you'd be given the medicine anyway if you asked for it. That's my feelings on it, anyway.
Sexual misconduct isn't very easy to define, as it depends on your culture, really. In some cultures sex before marriage is considered misconduct, but in others it is not. I live in Canada, and it's generally not considered to be misconduct at all. I don't consider it to be misconduct, but I understand that it may be considered that depending on your culture.
Fetish type sex isn't something I consider to be misconduct, either, because if everyone is consenting to the sex, and no one gets hurt (unless pain is part of it and is consented to), then I think it's fine. I know there are some who disagree with me, and that's alright, too. I do consider adultery (cheating on your spouse) to be misconduct, as that is expressedly violating one's marriage vows, which is also breaking the precept of not lying. Rape, in my opinion, is absolutely sexual misconduct.
That's correct about nirvana. When you realize nirvana, you cease to be reborn in samsara (also called "cyclic existence" or "the desire realm"). But nirvana isn't a place, like the idea of Heaven is, or the idea of Pure Lands. Nirvana is a state of being, a way of existing. It's a state in which you have snuffed out suffering and its causes, and realized your Buddha-nature.
So even if you are in this world, or a Pure Land, you're still nirvanic, but you're also exactly where you are.
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 9:57 am
Thanks so much for the help. I thought that those might be the answers, but I wasn't so sure, so I had to ask. I don't consider myself Buddhist, I'm still very much learning. And I'm not even sure I'll ever consider myself Buddhist.
But I intend to continue learning. So I'll just use this same post as I learn more, as questions occur. I'll just edit the subject name. 3nodding
Thanks again for the help.
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 8:04 pm
You are very welcome. Thank you for sending me that PM to draw my attention here. biggrin
The Buddha once said that wherever you find people practicing compassion and mindfulness, you will find enlightened people. So you certainly do not have to consider yourself Buddhist to realize your awakened nature. You don't even necessarily have to follow Buddhist practices (but they are directly designed for the very purpose of realizing nirvana), as even the prayer practices of Catholic nuns has been shown to be very effective for those who commit themselves to the practice. smile
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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 6:05 am
"What is that middle path, O bhikkhus, avoiding these two extremes, discovered by the Tathagata - that path which opens the eyes, and bestows understanding, which leads to peace of mind, to the higher wisdom, to full enlightenment, to Nirvana?
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Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 7:18 am
and i have a question... if one is in Nirvana, and won't reincarnate again, what happens when he or she dies? i mean, that energy can't just dissapear.... or is that what Buddhists believe, that the energy of the person just ceases to exist anymore? i don't think i can believe in an end to the cycles of reincarnation truely, so i am prone to believe that reincarnation is never-ending. but i realy want to know what is taught about it in Buddhism.
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Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 7:29 am
Chieftain Twilight and i have a question... if one is in Nirvana, and won't reincarnate again, what happens when he or she dies? i mean, that energy can't just dissapear.... or is that what Buddhists believe, that the energy of the person just ceases to exist anymore? i don't think i can believe in an end to the cycles of reincarnation truely, so i am prone to believe that reincarnation is never-ending. but i realy want to know what is taught about it in Buddhism. Simple answer is no one knows, and it's not worth dwelling on. Since Nirvana isn't -here- or connected to -here-, no one's ever come back and told us. All we know is it's not -here- like the other planes of existence. 3nodding
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Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 7:39 am
Byaggha Chieftain Twilight and i have a question... if one is in Nirvana, and won't reincarnate again, what happens when he or she dies? i mean, that energy can't just dissapear.... or is that what Buddhists believe, that the energy of the person just ceases to exist anymore? i don't think i can believe in an end to the cycles of reincarnation truely, so i am prone to believe that reincarnation is never-ending. but i realy want to know what is taught about it in Buddhism. Simple answer is no one knows, and it's not worth dwelling on. Since Nirvana isn't -here- or connected to -here-, no one's ever come back and told us. All we know is it's not -here- like the other planes of existence. 3nodding well, thank you for that, but that wasn't what i was asking. confused i get that Nirvana is just a ... a state of being i suppose you can put it.... but i was talking about the reincarnation part of it. if you don't reincarnate after dieing in Nirvana, what happens to your energy? or is it what your saying that it stays in Nirvana, wherever/however Nirvana is?
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Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 7:48 am
Chieftain Twilight well, thank you for that, but that wasn't what i was asking. confused i get that Nirvana is just a ... a state of being i suppose you can put it.... but i was talking about the reincarnation part of it. if you don't reincarnate after dieing in Nirvana, what happens to your energy? or is it what your saying that it stays in Nirvana, wherever/however Nirvana is? I'm saying we don't know. All we've been told is that Nirvana is elsewhere, not here, and that (in some cases) it gets pegged as being connected to everything, but not part of the cycle. It's a completely indescribable place/state/something, so no one's ever been able to tell us for sure what it is, aside from preferable to being in the cycle of rebirth. Perhaps it's one glorious whole with everything else that's gone there, perhaps not. No one can say what it is or isn't for certain, so no one knows where the energy goes. Sorry!
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Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 7:58 am
Byaggha Chieftain Twilight well, thank you for that, but that wasn't what i was asking. confused i get that Nirvana is just a ... a state of being i suppose you can put it.... but i was talking about the reincarnation part of it. if you don't reincarnate after dieing in Nirvana, what happens to your energy? or is it what your saying that it stays in Nirvana, wherever/however Nirvana is? I'm saying we don't know. All we've been told is that Nirvana is elsewhere, not here, and that (in some cases) it gets pegged as being connected to everything, but not part of the cycle. It's a completely indescribable place/state/something, so no one's ever been able to tell us for sure what it is, aside from preferable to being in the cycle of rebirth. Perhaps it's one glorious whole with everything else that's gone there, perhaps not. No one can say what it is or isn't for certain, so no one knows where the energy goes. Sorry! oh well.. thank you anyway. sweatdrop
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Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 7:59 am
Chieftain Twilight oh well.. thank you anyway. sweatdrop I tried. 3nodding
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Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 8:02 am
Byaggha Chieftain Twilight oh well.. thank you anyway. sweatdrop I tried. 3nodding i can ask my dad. mrgreen i'd hug you, but i think i read something bout that being innapropriate...
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Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 8:03 am
Chieftain Twilight i can ask my dad. mrgreen i'd hug you, but i think i read something bout that being innapropriate... I'm not a real nun, I just play one on Gaia. 3nodding heart
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