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 Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 6:05 pm
Eh, I appologize if this shouldn't be here, but it is a rather interesting little question.
I found it on another board I frequent, and I would love to see how you all feel on the subject. ^_+
"Look at the Devil, Satan, Lucifer, whatever nickname and accoutrement you want to bestow upon him for the sake of theological discourse, the prince of darkness, whatever! I know I'm mixing metaphors here, combining the holy and secular and all that forbidden stuff, but look at him. I mean, he's damned, positively completely and utterly damned. He's the very personification of the word. But he's no moral idiot either! So why doesn't he seek Redemption? Why doesn't he go to God and beg His Holy Forgiveness? What prevents him from abandoning his post as the guardian of all that proverbial fire and brimstone?
Is it possible the Devil's redemption comes from his rejection of God? That in being evil, being its necessary symbol, accepting the separation - the total alienation from God and role as His Adversary - he somehow is redeemed?
What I'm asking here isn't that complicated, really. Was the Devil's fall and subsequent exile an act of blasphemy, or was it in fact, a sacrifice?"
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 11:19 am
I never noticed that, but makes alot of sense now that i think about it. It also partially explains why Satanists who believe in god and the Devil as completely separete beings remain Satanists. They may have subconciously or conciously forsaken themselves to be different and help define what normal really is. Even though there is no real 'normal' because everyone now is a minority. So what i'm saying is that we(not just them) help shape what any given person sees as normal. What they may see as normal may be different from the next person and the next and so on.
I hope i wasn't rambling...
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 8:06 pm
It was forced sacrifice. The Christians needed a scapegoat so they created "Luscifer." Then when they started to take over other countries they made "Luscifer" in the image of the pagan earth god (hornes and goat like feet and all) to make the pagans accept their new religion easier.
No disrespect, I know that there is a Satan archtype and he is in essence a real type of god, but I firmly belive the Bible is nothing but propaganda crap.
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 8:42 pm
Seserous It was forced sacrifice. The Christians needed a scapegoat so they created "Luscifer." Then when they started to take over other countries they made "Luscifer" in the image of the pagan earth god (hornes and goat like feet and all) to make the pagans accept their new religion easier. No disrespect, I know that there is a Satan archtype and he is in essence a real type of god, but I firmly belive the Bible is nothing but propaganda crap. That's very interesting. Interesting indeed. I believe a very similar thing, where i am that essence or it lives within me(Arrogance not intended or denied). I also agree that the bible is nothing but propaganda.
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 11:35 pm
Could be viewed as a needed sacrifice. Consider, without the idea of Satan, and hell, what is there to justify what good is? An opposite was needed, or else there'd be no reason to fear what happened if you messed up, nothing to say this is the unnacepted. It's a prime example of there can be no good without evil. Both exist because the other does.
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 12:10 am
Mr. Ragamuffin-Man Could be viewed as a needed sacrifice. Consider, without the idea of Satan, and hell, what is there to justify what good is? An opposite was needed, or else there'd be no reason to fear what happened if you messed up, nothing to say this is the unnacepted. It's a prime example of there can be no good without evil. Both exist because the other does. I believe the bible is. propaganda meant to define what is good and what is evil. I mean behavior wise.
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:35 pm
grotesquecreeple I hope i wasn't rambling... you are, but that's perfectly okay (encouraged, as a matter of fact). that's really something i had never considered before... it's kinda like something someone wrote on the CoS website- that judas is hated by most christians, when, in fact, it was only by his actions that jesus was crucified, and therefore humanity redemed. i beleive he was called the "Patron Saint of Thankless Tasks" both positons would be necesary functions, without which nothing would work in christian mythology, yet their position, essential as it is, is completely maligned. oh wait, now i've been rambling.....
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 7:05 am
i was thinking long and hard the other day about somewhat this subject. im sorry if im a little off topic and forgive me if im wrong. i came to the conclusion that God is all 7 sins. (if you think about it he really is just ask about any of this and im all good on discussing it) All god wants is praise from every being. he selfish to the max. he/ jesus didnt die for us he died to keep us alive so that we would keep praising him forever. and that whole gods children thing is another way of wrangling in christians i mean honestly he punishes christians for not prasing him. hes selfish as crap man. so how i think the damnation of poor satan came along was that he like figured it out so when he was the first of the angels to defy god and was the first to tell him how wrong his actions were he was punished not only because of defying him but also because god might have seen him as a threat. he was punished for being hte only one to see outside of the rightous bubble and discover the big picture of what was being done. from there after his punishment and being damned to hell
(a lovely place id say you go and come back over and over never trapt)god started badmouthing him and came up with the ridiculous notion that satan all bad along with all of hte other stuff about the supernatrual world being full of demons and all. ( totall crap and lies) all in all id say that satan is there to help us. and id say he is one of the most misunderstood of all. of course hes not going to go back to god and beg forgiveness! hes got his hands full trying to convince everyone that hes not bad and that god needs to just get off his chair and eaqualize himself with everyone. god is like a bad rockstar almost. haha his power and fame went to his head!! blaugh blaugh rofl
anyway thats my input forgive me for howl long it was. hehe
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 1:43 am
Christians seem to have lost track of the concept of Balance. So it never occurs to them that, though Lucifer was cast out and damned and is now a paragon of wickedness and indulgence... without him, God's divinity means nothing. If every day is a sunny day... then what's a sunny day?
Therefore, evil = good. Or at the very least, necessary.
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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 7:40 pm
most definatly forced sacrifice...... great now it sounds like im following the bandwagon crying
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Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 3:10 pm
I say it doesn't matter, the nature of the act.
If this is a theological discussion, I'd say that the Devil had no choice.
Remember that God is to be All Powerful... so the Devil could not rebel unless God had willed it... seeing as Angels aren't supposed to be "free." Asking if it was sacrifice does not matter, as God would have planned it "from the beginning." From that perspective, the only kinks in the divine machine are the parts that are allowed to acte freely (humans). ergo the reason God was so wrathful... we were messing things up, and so there were disasters and prophets to set things right...
My thoughts, at least.
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Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 8:35 am
Were there is no belief, there lies no blasphemy.
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