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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 2:25 pm
I heard the advice to never talk to someone with conflicting ideas about politics or religion, but I never listened to it, because, well, I like intelligent debate, and I don't much care if we disagree as long as they have a good reason for their point of view. Well, I learned the lesson yesterday when I (stupidly) said that FDR may have had too much power. The statement wasn't as much of a problem as my audience: My father, who doesn't care, he'll have an intelligent debate, and my grandmother (his mother), who won't.
She proceeded to make him sound like a saint, and I just nodded, saying things like, yes, he did do a ton of good...
I thought it was over when we left a few minutes later, boy was I wrong. She called me and gave me a whole lecture on the good projects he started, asking me if I'd learned about them in school (Why, yes, I have) and then, when I pointed out that he had tried to pack the Supreme Court, she argued with me and said that all Presidents choose candidates for the Supreme Court (Well, not that way) and then, when she pointed out that he got us out of the Depression (actually, that may have been WWII, not Roosevelt, even though he did help restore a bit of confidence) I said the next stupid thing of the day "Yeah, well, Hitler got Germany out of their Depression too," *whimper* She was so shocked at the comparison, that I continued to agree that yes, it was different, and yes, Roosevelt was loved ( I think I did manage to throw in the 22nd amendment though)...
Then again, there are friends of mine, Writercxvii is one of them, who can talk to me about abortion, we disagree, and we can still talk about it...
And I, who am sort of Christian-y, used to talk to my agnostic/atheist/pagan (yes, I know these are not all the same, they are all the different religions of my ex's) ex's about religion.
But, anyway, ignoring my rant, do you think that you can, for the most part, talk politics and religion with others, or is it best not to open your mouth at all?
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 3:09 pm
I honestly think it depends. If the person in question is someone who you can handle in a debate, then go for it. If not, it might be better to let it alone.
In other words, if the person in question is someone who won't listen to a word you say, you're better off saving the oxygen, because you can't make them listen. (I call tererun for evidence.)
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Cougar Draven Vice Captain
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 4:00 pm
Cougar's right-it depends. I can discuss some things with my mother, but get onto the subject of abortions and she goes off on this whole rant about them. However, I've talked to my mother's priest with regards to whether or not God exists, and he'll admit that there's a possiblity that there is no god.
Point out to your grandmother that Hitler was loved, too. And, is this the Italian one? Ask her about our dear friend Benito.
Finally-you don't capitalize the 'w'. It's writercxvii.
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 6:16 pm
As long as you're not trying to argue religion or libertarianism in the Bible Belt, you should be okay.
The experiences I've had discussing politics and religion with people there have been, for the most part, futile. Most of them don't seem to have many good reasons for their beliefs other than the all-too-common "MAH DADDEH" argument.
On the other hand, when there's a chance for intelligent debate (or at least a good chance that I won't get lynched), I don't hesitate to make my beliefs known. It's sad, really, that there still exist primitive people who become ridiculously and violently emotional upon learning that someone just may disagree with them.
I believe the topics of politics and religion are generally avoided for this very reason. Many religions and political stances are often misunderstood by the general public, and whenever someone states their adherence to a certain school of thought, it never fails to stir up a verbal shitstorm for all involved.
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 7:26 pm
writercxvii Cougar's right-it depends. I can discuss some things with my mother, but get onto the subject of abortions and she goes off on this whole rant about them. However, I've talked to my mother's priest with regards to whether or not God exists, and he'll admit that there's a possiblity that there is no god.
Point out to your grandmother that Hitler was loved, too. And, is this the Italian one? Ask her about our dear friend Benito.
Finally-you don't capitalize the 'w'. It's writercxvii. Yes, the Italian one, she's my father's mother. And, am I okay with the whole abortion discussion? Also, names are capitalized. On here, "writercxvii" is your name. So I make it "W" and not "w" So there.
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 7:29 pm
Semper Fiasco On the other hand, when there's a chance for intelligent debate (or at least a good chance that I won't get lynched), I don't hesitate to make my beliefs known. Yes, I can see why lynching would be bad.
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 1:00 pm
Drucillia writercxvii Cougar's right-it depends. I can discuss some things with my mother, but get onto the subject of abortions and she goes off on this whole rant about them. However, I've talked to my mother's priest with regards to whether or not God exists, and he'll admit that there's a possiblity that there is no god.
Point out to your grandmother that Hitler was loved, too. And, is this the Italian one? Ask her about our dear friend Benito.
Finally-you don't capitalize the 'w'. It's writercxvii. Yes, the Italian one, she's my father's mother. And, am I okay with the whole abortion discussion? Also, names are capitalized. On here, "writercxvii" is your name. So I make it "W" and not "w" So there. Then compare FDR to Benito. I'm sure she'll love that comparison.
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 1:18 pm
Drucillia Semper Fiasco On the other hand, when there's a chance for intelligent debate (or at least a good chance that I won't get lynched), I don't hesitate to make my beliefs known. Yes, I can see why lynching would be bad. I arm myself. Sometimes with things that can clearly be lethal, sometimes with things that are benign. And then, if someone decides to get violent, I make sure they understand that I won't have that.
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Cougar Draven Vice Captain
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 3:13 pm
I don't debate with people in real life. Unless they're philosophy professors. I used to debate with them. I never even debated with my English professors, because I learned fairly quickly that they were liberal arts drones. Not that I'm even remotely conservative, but I actually examine things for myself, rather than just taking something some feminist-theorist or liberal activist said as gospel.
I'm a little embittered by my liberal arts education, in case you can't tell. Almost as embittered as I am by my Deep South, conservative upbringing.
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 3:15 pm
AllieLeota I don't debate with people in real life. Unless they're philosophy professors. I used to debate with them. I never even debated with my English professors, because I learned fairly quickly that they were liberal arts drones. Not that I'm even remotely conservative, but I actually examine things for myself, rather than just taking something some feminist-theorist or liberal activist said as gospel. I'm a little embittered by my liberal arts education, in case you can't tell. Almost as embittered as I am by my Deep South, conservative upbringing. Life just wasn't nice to you. I mean, hell, at least I get to tell my parents that they're too conservative, and I have the ability to laugh at the public school system, but damn.
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 3:34 pm
Cougar Draven AllieLeota I don't debate with people in real life. Unless they're philosophy professors. I used to debate with them. I never even debated with my English professors, because I learned fairly quickly that they were liberal arts drones. Not that I'm even remotely conservative, but I actually examine things for myself, rather than just taking something some feminist-theorist or liberal activist said as gospel. I'm a little embittered by my liberal arts education, in case you can't tell. Almost as embittered as I am by my Deep South, conservative upbringing. Life just wasn't nice to you. I mean, hell, at least I get to tell my parents that they're too conservative, and I have the ability to laugh at the public school system, but damn. Heh. Glad to see I've impressed you with my life, oh Wanderer-of-the-streets. Honestly, I think you probably have it worse off than me.
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 4:02 pm
AllieLeota Cougar Draven AllieLeota I don't debate with people in real life. Unless they're philosophy professors. I used to debate with them. I never even debated with my English professors, because I learned fairly quickly that they were liberal arts drones. Not that I'm even remotely conservative, but I actually examine things for myself, rather than just taking something some feminist-theorist or liberal activist said as gospel. I'm a little embittered by my liberal arts education, in case you can't tell. Almost as embittered as I am by my Deep South, conservative upbringing. Life just wasn't nice to you. I mean, hell, at least I get to tell my parents that they're too conservative, and I have the ability to laugh at the public school system, but damn. Heh. Glad to see I've impressed you with my life, oh Wanderer-of-the-streets. Honestly, I think you probably have it worse off than me. I've heard that before, and I'm sure I will again. But hey, I'm generally okay with how my life is, seeing as how it's been much worse. And I never feel like it's that bad of a life.
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Cougar Draven Vice Captain
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 4:17 pm
Cougar Draven AllieLeota Cougar Draven AllieLeota I don't debate with people in real life. Unless they're philosophy professors. I used to debate with them. I never even debated with my English professors, because I learned fairly quickly that they were liberal arts drones. Not that I'm even remotely conservative, but I actually examine things for myself, rather than just taking something some feminist-theorist or liberal activist said as gospel. I'm a little embittered by my liberal arts education, in case you can't tell. Almost as embittered as I am by my Deep South, conservative upbringing. Life just wasn't nice to you. I mean, hell, at least I get to tell my parents that they're too conservative, and I have the ability to laugh at the public school system, but damn. Heh. Glad to see I've impressed you with my life, oh Wanderer-of-the-streets. Honestly, I think you probably have it worse off than me. I've heard that before, and I'm sure I will again. But hey, I'm generally okay with how my life is, seeing as how it's been much worse. And I never feel like it's that bad of a life. That's awesome. heart I don't so much feel that my life's never been bad, but that it's constantly getting better, so I really have nothing to complain about. Plus the fact that I don't regret anything I've ever done.
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 4:57 pm
AllieLeota Cougar Draven AllieLeota Cougar Draven AllieLeota I don't debate with people in real life. Unless they're philosophy professors. I used to debate with them. I never even debated with my English professors, because I learned fairly quickly that they were liberal arts drones. Not that I'm even remotely conservative, but I actually examine things for myself, rather than just taking something some feminist-theorist or liberal activist said as gospel. I'm a little embittered by my liberal arts education, in case you can't tell. Almost as embittered as I am by my Deep South, conservative upbringing. Life just wasn't nice to you. I mean, hell, at least I get to tell my parents that they're too conservative, and I have the ability to laugh at the public school system, but damn. Heh. Glad to see I've impressed you with my life, oh Wanderer-of-the-streets. Honestly, I think you probably have it worse off than me. I've heard that before, and I'm sure I will again. But hey, I'm generally okay with how my life is, seeing as how it's been much worse. And I never feel like it's that bad of a life. That's awesome. heart I don't so much feel that my life's never been bad, but that it's constantly getting better, so I really have nothing to complain about. Plus the fact that I don't regret anything I've ever done. I don't regret my past, either. It's almost pointless.
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Cougar Draven Vice Captain
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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 7:07 am
Cougar Draven AllieLeota Cougar Draven AllieLeota Cougar Draven AllieLeota I don't debate with people in real life. Unless they're philosophy professors. I used to debate with them. I never even debated with my English professors, because I learned fairly quickly that they were liberal arts drones. Not that I'm even remotely conservative, but I actually examine things for myself, rather than just taking something some feminist-theorist or liberal activist said as gospel. I'm a little embittered by my liberal arts education, in case you can't tell. Almost as embittered as I am by my Deep South, conservative upbringing. Life just wasn't nice to you. I mean, hell, at least I get to tell my parents that they're too conservative, and I have the ability to laugh at the public school system, but damn. Heh. Glad to see I've impressed you with my life, oh Wanderer-of-the-streets. Honestly, I think you probably have it worse off than me. I've heard that before, and I'm sure I will again. But hey, I'm generally okay with how my life is, seeing as how it's been much worse. And I never feel like it's that bad of a life. That's awesome. heart I don't so much feel that my life's never been bad, but that it's constantly getting better, so I really have nothing to complain about. Plus the fact that I don't regret anything I've ever done. I don't regret my past, either. It's almost pointless. Out of sheer curiosity, why almost?
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