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 Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 12:18 pm
I once read the Necronomicon and was wondering if this is also considered to be myth?
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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 10:51 am
I'm also trying to find the difference between Myth, Religion and Fantasy. Anyone?
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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 4:11 pm
That second one I can answere. Mythology is modernly define as system of beliefs held by one or more people. Many myths have been shown to be false, however not all myths are necesarily false, and the majory of them do have some shade of truth.
I would describe religion as a system of beliefs practiced by a group of people. Religions can be considered myths because many of them are based on faith. However, calling a religious belief a myth is usually offensive to the people prescribing to that belief, since it gives a bad connotation.
Fantasy is a story element of purposely made up occurances. Fantasy differs from regular fiction in that it contains magical elements, or even borrowed mythological elements. What makes fantasy different from actual mythology is that at any given time, fantasy is generally believed to be untrue.
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 8:31 am
Hmm, I'm not happy with those answers because basically you're telling me that there is no difference between them. They are all just made-up stories while some are believed and others aren’t.
Personally I see no real difference between mythology and religion, it isn't all that long ago that some groups of people still believed and worshiped Norse mythology in Europe. Does that make it a religion then?
The only difference I see is that fantasy is clearly written for entertainment. But who can disprove that the Mythology and Religious stories aren’t written with the same purpose in mind? There's no way you can convince me that Mythology was thought up and believed to be the plain and simple truth. If you ask me the people in the past have always had as much a touch for comedy as we do now and I believe these stories to be for fun and perhaps with a bit of a wise lesson in them once in a while but defiantly nothing more then a form of comedy. Probably all thought up by people who had a drink to many around a campfire and naturally the best of these stories amused so many people that they have bin passed on and on and have survived (mostly fractured though) to this day.
As for religion... That’s a tough on. I'm not sure of it yet. Probably the same as Mythology only without the humour, which leaves nothing but an empty shell of a tale and hopeless people speaking with one big imaginary friend. Oh well, whatever they fancy…
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 8:54 am
Huh... I don't remember saying they are all made up. See that line "not all myths are necesarily false"?
It would more likely be considered a cult now, although I don't see much different between the two, aside from the amount of people that practice it.
But mytholgy was believed to be the plain and simple truth. If it was nothing more than a form of comedy, why did people get serious with the religious practices?
Oh I wouldn't say that, being a Christian and all...
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 9:56 am
I agree with Conren.
Mythology is basicly a past belief and even some still curent of wide porportions and a belief is sometimes defined as religion.
If you need an example here's one, I myself am a christian but to some people my God does'nt exisist but is instead mythology to them.
And then fantasy storys are either completely made up with elements from magic, folktale and mythology or is based off of someone's life story but sweetened to make it seem more intresting.
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 1:04 pm
Hmm.. Well to me its all one big happy joke and the Norse are the biggest joke of all (that's why I like them the best!) I say its all fantasy and comedy and any that actually believe it are, well, I can't really put it in any nice sentence there. Not that I really mind those people, your free to believe what you want, that’s what I do to. I just hope for people to have a little commonsense.
I think the silliest thing there is if for believers of one faith to tell people from another that theirs is a false one while there own is no better fairytale. Its all just stories in the end without any real proof and just because Christianity and all its side branches and such killed off all the rest of the old faiths that are no mythology is no proof that their god is any more real then those older ones.
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 10:37 am
A myth is a belief used to explain something. ie. The sun sets every night because [insert myth of choice here.] It also would be widely believed/accepted by a group of people, or have been at one time. Compare this to "legends" as well, which are very similar to myths, but don't explain anything about how the world works [ie. King Arthur]
Religion is a belief system. A religion can have myths interconnected with it (Egyptian beliefs/Egyptian myths for example) however the religion itself is not a myth.
A fantasy is something that someone makes up, generally for entertainment.
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Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:20 am
I liked the little debate about what defines a religion vs. a myth going on there for awhile until PANDORA RUINED IT with her LOGIC. blaugh
I tend to think that politics and law come into effect with what defines a religion different from a myth, time comes into the equasion as well. Hundreds of years from now a religion may die off, then in a thousand years (Assuming it possible humanity could live that long) that religion would be called a myth wouldn't it?
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Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:04 am
How can politics and law decide what is what? Those two things have nothing to do with religion and myth just like the later have no place in the former.
Time doesn't have anything on it either.
I think it's all about worship, myths are probably just religion that is no longer worshiped. Or at least not on a grand enough scale.
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 5:46 am
Alexander Vandala How can politics and law decide what is what? Those two things have nothing to do with religion and myth just like the later have no place in the former. Time doesn't have anything on it either. I think it's all about worship, myths are probably just religion that is no longer worshiped. Or at least not on a grand enough scale. Politics wasn't the right word for it I guess. I should have said law since you have to have a certain number of followers before you can be recognized as a proper religion. (As far as I know) Time is involved, generations have to pass and tell their version of that religion and so forth until it's referred to nothing more then fictitious stories about gods, dieties, or whatever.
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 9:34 am
Law? I think your not reasoning clearly here. Have you really given that idea some thought?
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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 10:11 am
Alexander Vandala Law? I think your not reasoning clearly here. Have you really given that idea some thought? Just to clarify I strayed from the original topic and introduced the discussion about what makes a religion different from a myth, or possibly what would turn a religion into a myth. I'm sorry if you cannot grasp my view on the matter. stare
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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 11:58 am
That would be my fault them, no need to get upset about it.
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