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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 1:06 pm
I had been wondering this for a while. What circumstances where people under when they "came out of the closet"? How did your up bringing effect your descion and what happened afterwards? Things like that.
Personally I was born and raised as a Jehovas Witness. Things went a lot worse than what I had anticipated. If anything my mothers reaction was a great deal worse then what I had hoped for, I thought she was more open minded at the time. My father wanted to beat the s**t out of me and still does till this day. That unfortunately was not the worst of it. Oh well.
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 1:16 pm
Everyone, even without religion is afraid of coming out, cause they are afraid they're friends won't like them anymore, people will look at them different, and they're parents having a reaction like yours. I was afraid to come out to my dad, my mom kind of always knew, but I just told my dad one day and he accepted it alot better then I thought. He accepts my lifestyle, he just doesn't want to be around it.
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 1:37 pm
Leify Rebirth Everyone, even without religion is afraid of coming out, cause they are afraid they're friends won't like them anymore, people will look at them different, and they're parents having a reaction like yours. I was afraid to come out to my dad, my mom kind of always knew, but I just told my dad one day and he accepted it alot better then I thought. He accepts my lifestyle, he just doesn't want to be around it. I know religion isn't just a part of it. I realize there is more to it. I justwant to hear the expierneces of others, wether it it involves religion or not.
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 1:43 pm
Oh I see, I was just stating that as well, didn't mean to contradict you. Sorry
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 3:33 pm
My coming out wasn't really based on Religion at all. I thought that since my mother had gay friends (although all guys) I thought she'd be okay with it. She's still a little uncomfortable...and I'm not allowed to talk about it around the other adults in my family but I guess I'm okay with it. She thinks it's just a phase and I'll get over it. BTW: I'm southern Baptist...so having a harsh religious environment around you does kind of influence your choice of coming out...but not as much as some would think. My coming out to my mom was kind of funny. It was the whole "You know how I know your gay?" thing...
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 8:45 pm
Well, I haven't told my parents yet... I was raised Catholic, and still go. But my dad is Evangelist >>;
A couple months ago there was a sermon about sinners, and one example was homosexuals >.> They had a thing that said, at first, try to help them. Then if they do not want your help, have nothing to do with them. Blargh. I think if I came out to my dad, he might disown me... or since he's big in the church, tell me to keep quite about it so it doesn't ruin his reputation at the church. >.>
My mom said before that if i was gay or something that she wouldn't care... I don't think she knows... I haven't shown anything that would make her think that...
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 2:49 pm
My father personally is on the verge of disowning me, if anything when I move out it will be sealed. My mother I've gotten to be a bit more accepting though she doesn't want her freinds to know. My sibling doesn't give a S***. Yay for twins! Though my mother did tell me that the only family members , she thinks, would keep in touch with me would be my grandmother from my fathers side (she babied me when I was young, she even bought me a pink bike with frills and a basket when i was younger, but it was given to my sib) and my grandmother on my mothers side because I was her first male grandson. Though when I cam out my parents had me talk to an Elder in the congregation, so I could be I suppose in a way "fixed". As for running reputations, my father views me as shameful, he has virtually nothing to do with, we rarely speak to each other unless it's neccessary, and since I was given the family Name Pedro (i'm known as Peter BTW, and I hat my first name) I have now ruined the name and will never continue the family name. He has now given that honor to my little brother. XD Originally I was going to be named Joshua Pedro Contreras, but Grandmother forced her to flip it. Sorry for ranting on like that.
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 3:54 pm
I haven't really 'come out' yet. :Ninja: The only person who has a clue is my sister. And we don't really talk about things like that. She just keeps all the yaoi..
I'm some sort of Christian but my parents raised me as ..supposedly Baptist. I think my Mom would give me a weird look and leave the room if I ever told her. She might pretend she never heard anything or just never talk about it. As for my Father.. he might end up laughing and taking it as a joke. Or he might yell at me and lecture about how I'd go to hell, since he has a lot of influence in the Baptist church they go to. o_o But I'm not really sure of his views on homosexuality since we've never spoken about that. We barely speak at all.. maybe twice a year.
My step-father would most likely be even more of a jackass, but still avoid me. And my step-mother might be upset but wouldn't freak out on me because only my Father has that right. They have that weird system going on.
If I ever DO come out to them, it'd be if I ever decide to marry.. or if I fall that deeply in love. I don't really see the point of coming out to them when it's really none of their business until that certain point. I mean, it'd be nice to know who would treat you differently when they find out who you're doing what with. <_<; But since I still have to rely on them for ..living, I'm not gonna add any awkwardness to those already awkward situations.
Truthfully, I'm much more anxious of how my siblings would react because I'm around them waaaay more than I'm around any of my parents. My brothers and step-siblings are who I'm worried about most. They have their mild gay jokes, and my step-siblings were raised much more strictly than I was. Last December I was teasing my step-brother about the possibility of him being bi-sexual/gay because he's starting to look kinda like K-popper Kangta. << My step-sister's response was "Ew, I don't want a gay brother!" And I had to respond with "I'd support him if he was gay.. because well, it's not like you're the one doing things with his lover." Then she said something about homosexuality being a sin which is written in the bible. Me, being a bad Christian asked for her to show me. We never got around to that for some reason. But then again, I wanted to see it in the original latin or hebrew even. Whatever language the original scriptures were written in. >_>;; Even if she really had showed me.. I really don't believe in the bible after watching a documentary on the History channel. e_e;
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 6:07 pm
Bright_Death Then she said something about homosexuality being a sin which is written in the bible. Me, being a bad Christian asked for her to show me. We never got around to that for some reason. But then again, I wanted to see it in the original latin or hebrew even. Whatever language the original scriptures were written in. >_>;; Even if she really had showed me.. I really don't believe in the bible after watching a documentary on the History channel. e_e; Well there is a passage from Levaticus that says something about man not to lie with another as a women or something. That's like the ONLY thing in the Bible that MAY refer to homosexuality. If you argue to any religious person they WILL use that passage. It is closer to the meaning that LUST is a sin. Also, I don't get why God would not like people loving eachother... And if it is a sin, it can't be the worst. And, everyone sins anyway. so blah.
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 6:14 pm
Pride: one of the seven deadly sins, is defined as taking extra steps to make ones appearance to look better then others around you. So to put it into blunt terms, if you dress up nice to impress those around you, your committing sin and your going to hell. So make sure, not to bathe, do up your hair, and whatever you do, don't dress up all pretty. Or your going to hell ~Snickers~
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Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 1:40 pm
Leify Rebirth Pride: one of the seven deadly sins, is defined as taking extra steps to make ones appearance to look better then others around you. So to put it into blunt terms, if you dress up nice to impress those around you, your committing sin and your going to hell. So make sure, not to bathe, do up your hair, and whatever you do, don't dress up all pretty. Or your going to hell ~Snickers~ I've got the non-bathing part down already. =D xD j/k~
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Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 2:13 pm
I havent come out yet either I'm a christian and whatever but I dont beleive loving someone of the same gender is wrong. My parents might have an idea I'm bi because when I came home from a play about 2 girls and one was a lesbian I talked about it with them they said they wouldn't hate me but they would be a little disappointed. They also said I would not be able to tell my grandparents neither set because they would hate me. I'm more afraid of my brother knowing cause he hates the fact that some people like the same gender he finds it gross and crap.
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Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 9:40 pm
I did some research around Gaia about this. The quote was: "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads." But I found this http://www.gaiaonline.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=22055569&page=1on the search thing which made a few things clearer. o_o
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 7:27 am
Well, I'm not Catholic as most French Canadians are. I'm not even baptised (my dad said my siter and I should choose our religions when we're old enough. I chose non xp lol)
I haven't told my family yet about being in a relationship with a girl. Although my one uncle who works where my girlfriend works finally figured it out (took about 5 months lol) and he's ok with it and promised to not say anything about it. I think my mom would be ok with it too. No idea for the rest.
I'm kind of afraid of telling my family cause even though I think most would be ok with it, it's possible some might not approve of it. And though some family members are a pain in the neck *coughsmydadcoughs*, it would still pain me to lose them over something so silly...
I'm not attracted to girls at all, but my girlfriend is the exception and I love her dearly. I might tell my mom when I go home for a few weeks this summer. We'll see >>
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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 2:19 am
I found something nice that should go here :3
COME AND READ!!!
================================================ Dr. Laura Schlessinger is a radio personality who dispenses advice to people who call in to her radio show. Recently, she said that, as an observant Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination according to Leviticus 18:22 and cannot be condoned under any circumstance. The following is an open letter to Dr. Laura penned by a east coast resident, which was posted on the Internet. It's funny, as well as informative:
Dear Dr. Laura:
Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other specific laws and how to follow them:
When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15:19- 24. The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.
Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?
I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?
A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?
Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?
Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?
I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? - Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)
I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.
Your devoted fan, Jim ================================================
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