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 Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 6:55 pm
This is where you can post philosophies and quotes etc. that you consider to be an absolute truth, aka, infabllibly correct and true and people can try to prove you wrong/argue/discuss.
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Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 9:54 pm
"Naming is the origin of all particular things." -Tao Te Ching
"To name is to differentiate; dividing the one into many." -Me
The first time I read the quote from the Tao Te Ching I wasn't impacted much. In fact, I don't even remember reading it the first time. For some reason it really stood out when I read it again. I'm glad I did notice it because I really like it. It defines my own philosophy of existence very well. When we label something, we define its existence as something seperate from our own. In doing so, we also further define our own existence. In the case of oneness, this naming is what creates the ego. We create self by defining what is not self. One might go further to say that when we are able to understand the points-of-view of what is not-self we realize that what is not-self perceives us the same way as we do it. It is when we see ourselves as self and all which is not-self that we return to oneness.
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Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 11:19 pm
"We create self by defining what is not self" they talk about that in "conversations with god" they say that your soul already knows who you are, but you can only remember by knowing what your not, one of the alanargies that they use is that you cannot know yourself to be tall untill you know what short is.
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Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:42 pm
You can't exist without having experienced non-existence.
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Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 1:07 am
isnt it more "you cant know you exist until you experience non existance?" im sure that could be refined much further though i just cant be bothered right now, i think you instinctivley know your alive though, defining wether this is reality is more the question, but we are aware of our own conciousness for sure?
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 5:19 pm
virtue is an inner light that can prevail in every soul - eight and a half tails
eight and a half tails is a character from the game magic the gathering. i like this quote because it tells that everyone of us lives under a principle of virtue. even the devil himself would get contradicting views on how evil he has become because he too shares this kind of virtue.
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 8:29 pm
the three most important absolute truths i have found in life so far are these
- It is not good to have an absolute beleif in anything and one should always maintain a totally open mind as free from any bias as possible
- Know thy self
- Life is about finding balance and maintaining balance within everything you do
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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:09 am
i do not believe in absolute truths.
don't get me wrong - i don't think "there is not truth, and this is true" - i have just never encountered something so true that it couldn't be a flasity under different circumstances or for different people.
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 1:07 am
so your kind of saying what i was saying in that you dont beleive in absolute beleifs? I dont beleive in absolute beleifs because if you beleive in something absolutley you close your mind to the other options etc
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 2:17 pm
moyga so your kind of saying what i was saying in that you dont beleive in absolute beleifs? I dont beleive in absolute beleifs because if you beleive in something absolutley you close your mind to the other options etc kind of...except you said that it is an absolute truth that there are no absolute truths. which is a paradox. i'm saying that i've never encountered something that i could regard as absolutely true. this doesn't mean absolute truths don't exist, but it doesn't mean that they do, either.
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 6:47 am
moyga the three most important absolute truths i have found in life so far are these - It is not good to have an absolute beleif in anything and one should always maintain a totally open mind as free from any bias as possible - Know thy self - Life is about finding balance and maintaining balance within everything you do not to lessen the full meaning of such wonderful saying but these are aphorisms and not absolute truth. the concept of absolute truth is a funny one it has developed in a specific religious climate but now all forms of understanding are available to us. to make this concept stronger and more defined we have to use these other ways to temper it into a greater form. first i would like to say that the way i see things absolute truth cannot be contained in words, as Zephyr perhaps hinted at, and that any attempt to define an absolute truth would be a matter of dancing around it or pointing, but only one who already has experience with truth can see what you mean and any one else would assume that they know what you mean but likely only have a guess based on their own individual experiences. that leads me to my second and third points, absolute truth is something other than a thought, other than what we commonly think of as a truth, which is a true phrase or statement, and at the same time it is not. and that paradox as seen here and elsewhere, hinted at by MegaTherion777, is perhaps the closest that we can come to understanding absolute truth mentally. absolute truth is a matter of a higher realm, it is not realized by our bodies, though our bodies in their natural state may know truth more easily than our minds, it is not realized by our emotions, though when it is realized our emotions are transformed, it is not realized by our minds, perhaps acquiescence and a definition in paradox are the only ways our mind can deal with it? so if it is not seen in all of these places what then? i dont know really as i said the mind struggles and gets in the way, what i do think though is that absolute truth is a state of being, a knowledge without words, a knowledge of unity. not the unity of men and their minds but the unity of being, all being. it is all of one form though it appears to be many different things, paradox? not really look at Einsteins theories, energy is mass, mass is energy. what is this energy, hard to say but at our smallest point perhaps we are strings twisted on multiple dimensions as some current quantum physics theories suggest. personally i don't want to think THAT much about it though it is an interesting concept. like i said i believe that often the mind gets in the way, and ancient men knew much more about reality than we do now without particle physics or modern science. absolute truth? cant say for certain but this is what i think on the subject.
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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 12:54 am
1st re-evaluation
the most important 'absolute truths' i have found in life so far are these
- It is not good to have an absolute beleif in anything, as absolute beleif in something rules out the possibilities of any other thing oposing or in relation to that, closing your mind to possibilities when one should always maintain a totally open mind as free from any bias as possible due to the fact that everything is about perspective and context. Not only that but also that everything within life is "insubstantial" and subject to "impermanence/in a state of constant flux" from the seasons to our state of mind, the window through which we observe these changes in the first place. (those are 2 of the 3 marks of existence in Buddhism, which i aslo define as being 'absolute truths') infact.. most of buddhist philosophy i totally agree with.
- I beleive that life is about becoming as enlightened as possible and simultaneously, as 'happy' as possible.. or at least for me. but i suppose alot of people have no idea what they want.
- Life is about finding balance and maintaining balance within everything
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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 1:00 am
AbrAbraxas moyga the three most important absolute truths i have found in life so far are these - It is not good to have an absolute beleif in anything and one should always maintain a totally open mind as free from any bias as possible - Know thy self - Life is about finding balance and maintaining balance within everything you do not to lessen the full meaning of such wonderful saying but these are aphorisms and not absolute truth. the concept of absolute truth is a funny one it has developed in a specific religious climate but now all forms of understanding are available to us. to make this concept stronger and more defined we have to use these other ways to temper it into a greater form. first i would like to say that the way i see things absolute truth cannot be contained in words, as Zephyr perhaps hinted at, and that any attempt to define an absolute truth would be a matter of dancing around it or pointing, but only one who already has experience with truth can see what you mean and any one else would assume that they know what you mean but likely only have a guess based on their own individual experiences. that leads me to my second and third points, absolute truth is something other than a thought, other than what we commonly think of as a truth, which is a true phrase or statement, and at the same time it is not. and that paradox as seen here and elsewhere, hinted at by MegaTherion777, is perhaps the closest that we can come to understanding absolute truth mentally. absolute truth is a matter of a higher realm, it is not realized by our bodies, though our bodies in their natural state may know truth more easily than our minds, it is not realized by our emotions, though when it is realized our emotions are transformed, it is not realized by our minds, perhaps acquiescence and a definition in paradox are the only ways our mind can deal with it? so if it is not seen in all of these places what then? i dont know really as i said the mind struggles and gets in the way, what i do think though is that absolute truth is a state of being, a knowledge without words, a knowledge of unity. not the unity of men and their minds but the unity of being, all being. it is all of one form though it appears to be many different things, paradox? not really look at Einsteins theories, energy is mass, mass is energy. what is this energy, hard to say but at our smallest point perhaps we are strings twisted on multiple dimensions as some current quantum physics theories suggest. personally i don't want to think THAT much about it though it is an interesting concept. like i said i believe that often the mind gets in the way, and ancient men knew much more about reality than we do now without particle physics or modern science. absolute truth? cant say for certain but this is what i think on the subject. Out of interest, what do you do for a living/what have you studied? lol
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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 1:44 pm
i sent you a pm about my textual studies but the most important thing is to study every aspect of life and living and to refrain from judgement. there is a balance in all things and that balance or lack there of is not always evident, before you decide you know something, wonder if there is something that you dont know. i normally try and remind myself that my own knowledge is only relative and absolute knowledge is union with the absolute and there is nothing that can be done with that, it just is.
another good book with a hokey name, The Mystic Path to Cosmic Power by Vernon Howard
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Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 3:28 pm
Zephyr You can't exist without having experienced non-existence. Well.. can you experience non-existence? I agree with your point, but not the wording.
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