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 Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 4:41 pm
I just typed out a long-a** review of OOTP in my livejournal. if anyone is interested go read here: http://yuna1881.livejournal.com/265941.htmlI'd love to hear other people's thoughts on the film so leave me comments heart
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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 8:53 pm
The movie really disappointed me. I mean they completely changed the DoM scene and left out my FAVORITE scene with the "oh noes" and the "don't be dead, hermione"...wah. They even changed the christmas sequence of how Harry spent christmas and Sirius wasn't as huge a character as he should have been and the Veritaserum scene with Harry and Umbridge was left out and Margaret or whatever her name was was left out making Cho have to be the bad person and no quiddith and no Harry dating. I loved that book, still do, but the movie ruined alot of stuff....the dementors did look alot better and cool smoke flying was awesome.
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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 9:34 pm
all those things you've mentioned are very small details and not all that essential to the basic overall plot, and yes as fans it would have been cool to see but we also need to be understanding of the filmmakers perspective and appreciate that they still made us a great film.
as far as making Cho seem like a bad person, she indirectly outs the DA in both book and film, in the book its her friend that reveals the secret but it's Cho who brought the friend, in the film, she is the one who reveals the secret but it is under the influence of Veritaserum so both ways have the same very basic very general point. Cho is innocent but was still involved even if indirectly.
after experiencing four other Potter movies I think watered down, basic versions of the books are expected so disappointments such as small insignificant scenes shouldn't be so much of a shock but more of something we accept in return for having a movie at all.
as I said in my review: I think the movie fulfilled it's role nicely. it gave us something visually exciting and beautiful to look at. and when you think of it that way little discrepancies aren't as irritating anymore
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 8:50 am
Welcome back you two. Haven't seen either of you two posting much. Great to have you back and posting. Anyway... I've been looking up spoilers like a barking, mad Asian. Unfortunately, it hasn't been going well. I continue to read mix reviews from pro-Harmony to anti-Harmony to somewhere in between. It appears that the movie can be view in many, many different directions. I have not decided weather or not to watch the movie this Sunday or wait until DH is released. (If it's H/Hr, I can savor the attempts of R/Hr moments much more easily and enjoy the H/Hr moments much better). yuna1881, thanks for the review. You have a point that everyone needs to wrap their mind around: if the movie folks put every single detail in from the book, the movie would take around a day to watch. HermioneTwin, I don't know if I can cheer you up but this quote did it for me as to why the Harmony scenes were so watered down: Dark Rune from HarmonyForever 5. The Harmony - What kind of Harmonian would I be if I didn't mention the 12 Grimmauld Place Harry/Hermione hug? Granted, it wasn't as long as the one written in the books, but it was good nonetheless. Besides, if they had filmed it the way Rowling wrote it, Harmony would have been way too obvious.- What kind of a Harmonian would I be if I didn't mention Hermione picking up Harry's hand and showing incredible concern for him, as usual? Granted, the Murtlap was cut, but something's better than nothing. Besides, if they had filmed it the way Rowling wrote it, Harmony would have been way too obvious.- What kind of Harmonian would I be if I didn't mention the leading-Umbridge-into-the-forest scene? Granted, it wasn't nearly as awesome as the actual events that occurred in canon leading up to the DoM showdown, but still very agreeable. Besides, if they had filmed it the way Rowling wrote it, Harmony would have been way too obvious.Hmm... I'm seeing a trend of Harmony moments being toned down or completely cut, here. Two reasons:
a) Filmmakers didn't know who would end up with whom, and so toned down the canon Harmony moments to give other ships wiggle room.b) Despite OBHWFers trying to argue nonsensically in debates long past that all the scenes in OotP mean nothing, these diluted or omitted OotP H/Hr scenes actually do point to canon Harmony and therefore HAD to be toned down, to give other ships wiggle room.I don't know if that helped, but it did cheer me considerably with some matter of logic and reason. Anyway, thanks for the reviews you two. 3nodding
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:19 am
I am happier after seeing that, but still if you look in the Favorite Harmony Moment thread you'll see mine was the DoM sequence and, of course, OotP is my favorite of the series so I'm going to be critical and ever so slightly disappointed no matter what....I did love the smoke flying stuff though. I wanna smoke fly....with white smoke of course.
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:19 am
I've been afraid of Gaia since I heard there were Deathly Hallows leaks so I've been staying away a lot hahaha.
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 7:46 pm
HermioneTwin - I wish I could cheer you up more, but I understand. OotP really is a huge deal to all of us and to know that it didn't live up to the book isn't easy to get over. Here's to seeing H/Hr in DH! cheese_whine Lol. Can't wait to see flying smoke then. I heard the Order's entrance had plenty of that flying around.
yuna1881 - Lol. Many of my favorite fanfic writers have been disappearing lately much like you have for the very same reason perhaps. I have some good news for you though. There haven't been any leaks on Gaia at all from what I've seen. As for Portkey, the spoilers are very fake and badly made up at that. I'm not planning to get the book until I'm sure it's H/Hr so I'm really depending on the spoilers and other shippers to bring me the victory news.
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Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 5:50 am
I understand that they have to condense the movie, but I just wish that they would have done more with the DoM scene. I mean they could have shown Hermione getting hurt at least. Or at least show they splitting off. I kind of feel like if they wouldn't have added half the stuff they did, they could have put more canon moments in. Although I did like the Harry/Luna interaction. I thought that was done well. And I loved whenever Hermione says,"Grawp, put me down!" haha that cracked me up!
Anyway, I like most Harmonians was a bit disappointed because OotP is my favorite book and I was looking forward to seeing alot of H/Hr fluff, but as you said thu.huyen, it would be strangely suspicious if they had all this H/Hr moments.
Another complaint I had was how they made it seem like R/Hr got along really well in this book. I don't remember them fighting at all, or if they did argue about something, Hermione would smile about it and roll her eyes. I mean her and Ron were looking at each other alot in the film, exchanging secret glances, laughing with each other (I know they are friends, but i just felt that they film makers wanted more R/H to make up for the lack of moments in the book)
And my last complaint (yeah, big sigh of relief) is about the post-kiss. It didn't show Hermione getting upset (although I did love the look on Ron and Harry's faces as Hermione explained how Cho was feeling). Her and Ron laughed about it, R/Hr didn't bicker, and even Harry laughed...yeah I know, I guess i'm just being bitter about the lack of H/Hr moments.
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Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 7:33 am
Yeah, I found all those things kind of odd. Maybe a bit... OOC, maybe?? Ron seemed too calm and too unfeeling to really be... well, Ron.
Not enough H/Hr scenes, but then again, not too many R/Hr scenes either. biggrin
Definitely darker (obvious, i know), but... the only I can explain is that watching it was like sitting in front of a TV... high.
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 7:01 am
Thanks for the review, julliel. Would you say that there are an equal amount of H/Hr and R/Hr scenes? If it's darker than PoA, I'm definitely going to like it to somewhat an extent. Nice description of how you watched it. I'd probably get a headache though if I watched it like that though... xp
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:08 am
Maybe a few more R/Hr than H/Hr, but only because Harry and Ron seemed to switch personalities.
It's definitely darker. Way more angsty, especially at the beginning when Harry was watching little kids play until their mums took them home. Then Dudley fat a** comes over and rubs his dead mum in his face.
The reason it felt like I was high was... it went by so fast and everything was so vague... It's seeing the story in a haze. Like a recent dream that was vivid when you experience it but cloudy when you try and recall.
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 6:23 pm
yeah there were more RHr moments than HHr. Most of the HHr moments, to me at least, seemed more friendly than romantic. They seemed to make a point of having the RHr moments be all "flirty" and what not.
I agree with what was said before, it seemed like Harry and Ron had a role-reversal type of thing going on. And Ron really wasnt like he is in the book. He was alot less emotional and mean towards Hermione.
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 12:55 pm
More flirty R/Hr? Wonderful. [/sarcasm] DH better end in H/Hr as I have no idea how to handle those R/Hr without laughing them off.
I heard Ron was more in canon than ever, but I'll take both your words on the role reversal.
It was actually Harry that started the fight with Dudley. I'm a little peeved that they changed that in the movie. It's not that Dudley doesn't deserve getting kicked down a notch or two, but it shows that Harry isn't that perfect hero people make him out to be.
I knew the movie was rushed but enough that it felt like a dream? I never remember my dreams so it might not be so horrible watching OotP if I forget all the R/Hr moments.
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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 11:08 am
thu.huyen More flirty R/Hr? Wonderful. [/sarcasm] DH better end in H/Hr as I have no idea how to handle those R/Hr without laughing them off. I heard Ron was more in canon than ever, but I'll take both your words on the role reversal. It was actually Harry that started the fight with Dudley. I'm a little peeved that they changed that in the movie. It's not that Dudley doesn't deserve getting kicked down a notch or two, but it shows that Harry isn't that perfect hero people make him out to be. I knew the movie was rushed but enough that it felt like a dream? I never remember my dreams so it might not be so horrible watching OotP if I forget all the R/Hr moments. Well Rupert did a good job of portraying Ron, but I felt that sometimes they made Ron alot nicer in some scenes than he should have been. Plus I was a little sad about the lake of Luna/Ron but I felt they did Luna very well. All in all, I would recommend the movie, although you will be disappointed with it if OotP is your favorite book. But I guess they explained the main points
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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 4:12 pm
Personally, I liked it. Not because of all the details they left out (I haven't read the book since it last came out - shame on me, yes, but I normally don't do that before seeing a movie based on a book. For me, I read the book afterwards if I even want to), but because it actually translated well into a movie.
Everyone knows that books and movies are different. People can get away with things in books that they would never be able to get away with in movies (for example, all the Harmony scenes that had to be toned down sweatdrop ), thus changes have to happen.
I personally enjoyed seeing the new director's take on it, and I really did enjoy that frenzied chase in the DoM. As someone who slightly enjoys multiple ships, I also liked how Luna did get a bit of screen time, and she was excellent in my opinion.
But... the little details that one would typically enjoy aren't going to be there, if at all. Generally, though, I'd recommend seeing it. heart
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