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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 9:37 pm


Today I was walking downtown. I looked like I stepped right out of a Helena video because I put on too much eyeliner and it blended weird with eyeshadow. So I was walking around and there was this group of girls. Let me tell you: Im really short. They were smaller than me and looked about 8. What scared me was that they were decked out with makeup that was way too much, typical hooker makeup. They were all wearing pink and miniskirts and such. They were haveing a very "mature" disscussion as well and useing words that I didn't know exhisted when I was 8. Either way I was kind of in shock. So I just watched in schock. I was wondering "Where are their parents?" I didn't say anything. I am not conservative with the way I dress which you probabley guessed. I know it isn't going to make ***** rape them but it just bothers me. I just feel angry at it for some reason. Why are kids acting like this? Is it because the media now revolves around sex and being sexy? Is it because the dolls they play with look like they came right off of the corner? Is it because the cloths they make nowadays are a lot slutter then they were?

Now before you flame me I would like to say that: my spelling sucks, and I am just discussing theories on why little girls have been trying to grow up so fast.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 9:44 pm


It's probably the media, to some extent, and the desire to fit in and be "cool."

All the female characters you see these days who are supposed to be role models are all too skinny, too slutty, and too obsessed with sex.
Even if people like this are actually a minority, they are highly visible. So visible, people think that they are the norm.
Little girls are still forming their identities, making them easily influenced by those around them and what they see in the media.
They see these lousy characters, play with dolls that look like them, their parents don't stop them from watching, explain what is wrong with the characters, and buy them the dolls.

There is no reason to dress to show off your body or have any interest in sex until you hit puberty.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 1:04 am


I think a lot of it is media, peer pressure, and things like those Bratz dolls! I swear. The dolls look like they're little kids but dress like hookers... And they have a movie for them now? And they're in high school I believe. Therefore, little girls are trying to be like high schoolers.

I saw something really disturbing at the mall not too long ago. There were some girls.. younger not even teens, they were dressed in outfits that I didn't really think was good for their age (I don't dress conservatively but still.) The thing that bothered me was they all had Victoria's Secret bags (this was the better part) and had the 'play with me' stickers on their clothes/body. You know the stickers they put on Victoria's Secret test makeup? I was like oh my god.. what is wrong with those girls... Wearing those stickers does not make them cool... its rather slutty. None of my friends (some who are flirts or even a little slutty) wear those..
PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 4:58 am


Before we say "girls are growing up too fast these days" - let us remember that it wasn't uncommon in the past for a girl to be married and with child at 12-13.

Physically, girls in North America do "grow up" faster than those in Europe. The average age to start menstruating in Europe is 12-13. In the US, it's around 9. The reason for this is all the hormones farmers in the US put into meat. In Europe, they have very strict restrictions against that sort of thing.

As for 8 year old girls dressed like adults (if adults even dress that way!), I am inclined to agree. I mean, I know perfectly well that 150 years ago, girls that age would be working 15 hours a day in factories and that this whole notion of "childhood" is a very modern concept. But it still feels very wrong to have children dressing in a way you wouldn't even want to see a 20 year old dressed. It's not really this generation, either. Even when I was a kid, my classmates were starting on all these things. I knew all about sex when I was 12 - not because we had good sex ed in school but because one of my classmates was known as a "complete slut" and had gotten pregnant.

I think the worst part of it is when parents actively encourage that kind of behavior. For example, I used to work in a toy store where we sold, among other things, Hello Kitty makeup kits. A mom came in with a 9-10-ish year old daughter. The daughter was wearing very fashionable clothing - low cut tight jeans, tank top, fancy jacket, etc... The mom picked up a Hello Kitty makeup kit and put it on the counter. I made a joke about "gettin' 'em while their young" and she gave me the evil eye. She started growling at me that it's "important to teach girls how to dress properly and put makeup on while they are still young so that they won't be confused when they are old enough!" The mother was essentially forcing her daughter to dress and act like an adult (I assume act, because those tight pants don't exactly look like you could run around and play "it" in them) so that she wouldn't have to learn how to act in that way when she was old enough to. How messed up is that logic? We're already adults for most of our lives, can't we spend a small portion of our time as children?

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 7:32 am


Kukushka
Before we say "girls are growing up too fast these days" - let us remember that it wasn't uncommon in the past for a girl to be married and with child at 12-13.

Physically, girls in North America do "grow up" faster than those in Europe. The average age to start menstruating in Europe is 12-13. In the US, it's around 9. The reason for this is all the hormones farmers in the US put into meat. In Europe, they have very strict restrictions against that sort of thing.

As for 8 year old girls dressed like adults (if adults even dress that way!), I am inclined to agree. I mean, I know perfectly well that 150 years ago, girls that age would be working 15 hours a day in factories and that this whole notion of "childhood" is a very modern concept. But it still feels very wrong to have children dressing in a way you wouldn't even want to see a 20 year old dressed. It's not really this generation, either. Even when I was a kid, my classmates were starting on all these things. I knew all about sex when I was 12 - not because we had good sex ed in school but because one of my classmates was known as a "complete slut" and had gotten pregnant.

I think the worst part of it is when parents actively encourage that kind of behavior. For example, I used to work in a toy store where we sold, among other things, Hello Kitty makeup kits. A mom came in with a 9-10-ish year old daughter. The daughter was wearing very fashionable clothing - low cut tight jeans, tank top, fancy jacket, etc... The mom picked up a Hello Kitty makeup kit and put it on the counter. I made a joke about "gettin' 'em while their young" and she gave me the evil eye. She started growling at me that it's "important to teach girls how to dress properly and put makeup on while they are still young so that they won't be confused when they are old enough!" The mother was essentially forcing her daughter to dress and act like an adult (I assume act, because those tight pants don't exactly look like you could run around and play "it" in them) so that she wouldn't have to learn how to act in that way when she was old enough to. How messed up is that logic? We're already adults for most of our lives, can't we spend a small portion of our time as children?


After reading the last bit about the kid and the mom, I had to quote this post. lol
I also entirely disagree with the statement that girls are growing up too fast today. A hundred and fifty years ago I'd be an old maid for not marrying before eighteen. So, at my seventeen and three quarters I am way past my prime. wink
But I really have to wonder whether these girls that the first post is referring too aren't growing up fast enough. I look at some of these eight-year olds and I see entirely useless and immature people. Being an adult does not mean dressing like a scank or knowing about sex just as much as the corner hooker. I spent good deal of my life in Europe and when I recall myself and my friends at around the same age, I have to say that we were a lot more adult-like than today's children. Wake up at six every day, go to school for good six to seven hours (depending on how many classes we had that day), come home and heat up something to eat (parents, grandparents, and other relatives are all working), do homework till six or seven (if you're lucky), have shower, a snack, watch some TV, and fall asleep at nine. And on weekend there are numerous chores that you have to do because everyone in the house is busy, tired, and expects help. Sure, maybe it’s not an ideal childhood, but it prepares you for adult life a hell of a lot better than a make-up kit.
Adult=responsibility. And when I look around my first reaction is "for god's sake's make this kid do some work for his/her own good!"
As for parents encouraging this sort of behaviour from their kids, it is creepy. Yes, you must teach your little girl to colour-coordinate, to be neat, and to take care of her own appearance... But what does that have to do with makeup or skimpy clothes? I'm pretty sure that it does not take years and years of practice to apply "war paint." And nobody is going to be confused about anything. I'm sure that even a three-year old knows where the eyeliner goes and how it is applied. But hey, we're a sex-crazed culture, and so we have kids make-up kits and tiny skirts sold in a department for ages three to five... People, buy your kids some Lego's, please! sweatdrop
Somebody has to tell some of these mommies that looking like a Barbie will get their kids nowhere...
 
PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 7:51 am


I don't think the makeup and clothes necessarily reflect girls "growing up too fast" I think it's more like an extension of what I call the "Princess complex" where little girls dress up to be pretty and like movie stars or their favorite characters on TV or whatever. They're not trying to attract men, they're just dressing up in a way they think is pretty for the sake of being pretty.

As for the conversation, well what little kid doesn't get excited by talking about taboo subjects when their parents aren't around? For that matter, how many of you can say you don't even now?

Do I think it's the healthiest thing in the world? No. But I don't think that kids dressing and acting like that is necessarily going to ensure that they're pregnant by 14, either.

Masticatius


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 9:30 am


Olya
I also entirely disagree with the statement that girls are growing up too fast today. A hundred and fifty years ago I'd be an old maid for not marrying before eighteen. So, at my seventeen and three quarters I am way past my prime. wink

Not really. 16 was the earliest 150 years ago. That was young enough (at least in upper society) to be considered scandalous. Between 18 and 25 was far more usual for a woman. The rules are always different for men. Girls "came out" at 16. That's when they could be declared available for marriage. The process was then to introduce them to society for the next two or three years until a profitable match could be made.

You are right that in the past it would have been unusual for a girl your age to be unmarried and without at least one or two children - but you'll have to go a little further than that to find examples.

Olya
But I really have to wonder whether these girls that the first post is referring too aren't growing up fast enough. I look at some of these eight-year olds and I see entirely useless and immature people. Being an adult does not mean dressing like a scank or knowing about sex just as much as the corner hooker.

Agreed. There's a privileging of the "grown up" image, but the priorities do seem very skewed. I've seen 16-18-20 year olds whining that their parents are so "unfair" for making them unload the dishwasher once a week. This sense of entitlement or privilege, the sense that they ought to be babied as though they were incapable of doing anything for themselves but at the same time ought to have all the independence of an adult. It's very strange and, when I was growing up in Europe, completely unheard of. It's getting more common there now too, unfortunately.

Masticatius - You bring up a very good point. I would just like to state that I don't think the obsession with material things (designer clothing, for example) is healthy - for anyone and especially for a child. If they are trying to look pretty, that's fine. Lord knows I did that sort of thing when I was little too (though I preferred leopard prints - it was the 80s, after all). It's also not a terrible thing for parents to indulge kids a certain amount. But spending a fortune on designer clothes for children does nothing but raise a generation of compulsive consumers. Couple that with babying your kids and not giving them a healthy number of chores and you end up with irresponsible compulsive consumers.
PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 9:39 am


Kukushka


Masticatius - You bring up a very good point. I would just like to state that I don't think the obsession with material things (designer clothing, for example) is healthy - for anyone and especially for a child. If they are trying to look pretty, that's fine. Lord knows I did that sort of thing when I was little too (though I preferred leopard prints - it was the 80s, after all). It's also not a terrible thing for parents to indulge kids a certain amount. But spending a fortune on designer clothes for children does nothing but raise a generation of compulsive consumers. Couple that with babying your kids and not giving them a healthy number of chores and you end up with irresponsible compulsive consumers.


Yep, you hit the nail on the head. I think the problem is simply perhaps that the privileges once reserved for the very top of the social structure (Like millionaires and royalty) are now commonplace, leaving a much larger portion of kids today with too many options and no responsibilities.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 10:04 am


I have to disagree with some previous comments (about girls marrying at a young age). I don't disagree that they married young, but thinking that these women were developmental more mature is a fallacy. Young women's knowledge and intelligence is unparallelled to women of a mere hundred years ago.

We know now that the frontal lobe (for logical and organization) of humans do not completely develop until the early 20s. This accounts for the rash, compulsive and usually stupid decisions of young people. It explains why young people only think of themselves.

Young people biologically aren't growing any faster than before, but the access to knowledge and information is growing exponentially. Even with parental guidance and love, the information boom is growing faster than parents can keep us.

Our best hope is knowing that children will grow out of it, and hopefully they will come out unharmed.

This said--As a mother, there are a few things I can not condone!
1-Bikinis for baby girls/toddlers--teens. Personally it is DISGUSTING. I find parents that buy their little baby girls and pre-teens bikinis are just asking for there little girls to get raped or molested. Even on the lighter side, they are sexualizing their children at an early age.
2-Buying slim cut clothes, tight pants, thongs... parents should really stop giving in to this crap!
PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 1:16 pm


The media probobly has something to do with it.
But mostly, kids are just growing up faster these days.
I went to a chorus concert with my friends, one fo their little brither's was in it, and I was wearing Tripp pants and these little kids were yelling at us.
They were like "HEY YOU ******** GOTHS!!! GOTH, EMO, HOMO, FAGS!!!"
And I was like..."How old are you? How do ou even know those words, let alone know how to properly use them in a sentance?"

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 4:37 pm


Kukushka
Agreed. There's a privileging of the "grown up" image, but the priorities do seem very skewed. I've seen 16-18-20 year olds whining that their parents are so "unfair" for making them unload the dishwasher once a week. This sense of entitlement or privilege, the sense that they ought to be babied as though they were incapable of doing anything for themselves but at the same time ought to have all the independence of an adult. It's very strange and, when I was growing up in Europe, completely unheard of. It's getting more common there now too, unfortunately.

Masticatius - You bring up a very good point. I would just like to state that I don't think the obsession with material things (designer clothing, for example) is healthy - for anyone and especially for a child. If they are trying to look pretty, that's fine. Lord knows I did that sort of thing when I was little too (though I preferred leopard prints - it was the 80s, after all). It's also not a terrible thing for parents to indulge kids a certain amount. But spending a fortune on designer clothes for children does nothing but raise a generation of compulsive consumers. Couple that with babying your kids and not giving them a healthy number of chores and you end up with irresponsible compulsive consumers.

Yep! It's getting very common there now. Last summer I was visiting my grandparents and almost dropped when I saw kids a few years younger than I dressing in ways that I would never dream of. I guess my age group is the last of workaholics. cool
And we are razing a generation of compulsive buyers. Labels matter more than design it seems... And please tell me why a fifth grader needs a cell phone! Somehow between teaching the kids how to be "cool" and attractive (although I'd still like to question the attraction of sluttishness) we forget to teach them the useful things that they really need. No designer clothes will ever land you a job, or make people like you, or provide meaningful relationships, or make a worth-wile person out of you. Beauty is a lovely thing as long as there is something underneath to compliment it.
 
PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 5:38 pm


Masticatius
Yep, you hit the nail on the head. I think the problem is simply perhaps that the privileges once reserved for the very top of the social structure (Like millionaires and royalty) are now commonplace, leaving a much larger portion of kids today with too many options and no responsibilities.

Indeed. Not to mention the shifting notions of childhood. Where once, children were seen as cheap labor, they've come to be seen as innocent and weak creatures who need to be protected. There's a building in London (I think it's the hall of justice, or something similar) that has a big statue on the top of lady Justice protecting children - the children symbolize all the poor and oppressed in need of protection. So kids aren't made to work for the benefits of having room and board because they have become entirely the parents' responsibility.

Olya - About cellphones, I did have one when I was young (not that young. They didn't exist until I was 13-14). This was because I had to walk through two miles of dark alleys in a not-so-nice neighborhood to get to school every day, and then back the same way to get home. My mom wanted me to have a cellphone for safety. I kept the phone on, the number for the police dialed, and my finger over the "call" key every time I went to and from school. I can also understand the need to keep tabs on kids, especially when both parents are working. That way, they can call if they worry to see what their kids are up to (and perhaps make sure that it's nothing bad). Kids can also call if they have a change of plans, such as going to a friend's house after school. So I can understand that. But for social reasons, I have to agree with you. In fact, people who only want cellphones for social reasons shouldn't have them at all, in my very crazy and archaic opinion. Then again, I'm a crazy hypocrite sitting at a computer and probably oughtn't be listened to.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 5:43 am


I don't think that it is that there growing up too fast because girls use to gest married right when they hit puberty (usually 12-16 years old) but they getting married and growing up is now expected of a 30 year old! I just think that it is the fact that the parents are letting the children look like that more because they think it is okay with all the media advertising! I think its wrong that it is like that but I think it is more the parents and medias fault for allowing this stuff to happen!
PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:49 am


It's mainly the media, and fitting in at school.

Also, barbie dolls are wearing skimpier and skimpier clothes on each model.

And it's strange I see kindergarteners having sidekicks and Chocolates and I don't even have a cell phone.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 12:46 pm


I think is lack of propper guidance.

I know that there are a lot of bad influences in television, internet, toys, advertisements, you name it, but the bottom line reason is that parents are failing in protecting their children against these negative influences.

The youth now days is a consequence of lazy parents that let the greedy speculative and inmoral media to raise their kids for them.
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