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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 4:38 am
My friend is doing a solo project, and he wants me to try writing a solo for it. Thing is, I don't know anything about writing solos. >.<
So, he tried teaching me last night. I've learned what to do with the key, and what exactly it means by an augmented fifth or a diminshed seventh, however after that I got confused.
He managed to confuse his definition of half step with I don't even remember what it was, but it involved octaves rather than actual half steps...So his definition of both of those were rendered kind of useless from that >.>
Basically, what I need, is a definiton of "Perfect," "Augmented," and "Diminished" if anyone could help please.
Thanks 3nodding
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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 9:39 am
I don't know how much you know about Theory or anything already, so sorry if I insult yur intelligence with this, I'm just going to try and cover the basics of things. You wanna know about perfect and diminished notes. Hopefully this helps a bit.
It depends on the modes. I'll teach you in C major (since that's the normal teaching scale.)
Major scale is T/T/S/T/T/T/S.
If you don't know what that is, tone (T) and Semi-Tone (S) is the intervals between notes for a given mode. Semi tone would be between two frets (Like the first fret to the second fret would be a semi-tone and the first fret to the third fret would be a tone... Same pattern for anywhere on the fret board, starting on any fret) Now with that out of the way, the Notes for C major is:
C/D/E/F/G/A/B/C
With the second "C" being an octave higher than the root note (The first "C").
I'm not sure how to word this part, so sorry if I screw you up. Their are also "intervals" that go like this:
Minor 2nd Major 2nd Minor3rd Major3rd Perfect 4th Augmented 4th/Diminished 5th Perfect 5th Minor 6th Major 6th Minor 7th Major7th Octave
The one's that are Bolded are the Major scale intervals. The other 5 are the remaining intervals in the octave. So from the root note, each fret can be given one of these names (in this order respectively). From the root Note of C, the perfect 5th would be G and the Augmented 4th/Diminished 5th would be F#.
That's pretty much how you find out the diminished and perfects of scales and such. It works in any key, any mode.
Also, you can extend scales from the regular 8 notes to cover the whole fret board and strings. Right now, the scale of C goes like this:
Do Re Mi Fa Sol La Ti Do
To extend it would be like going:
Do Re Mi Fa Sol La Ti Do Re Mi Fa Sol La Ti Do
It extends two octaves instead of just one.
Hopefully this helps.
Note: In order to play solo's good, you must mix different notes. You can't just play a scale and expect it to sound remarkable. You have to have it inside you really... Or at least that's what I believe...
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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 9:48 am
Also, I've been up for a good 24+ hours, so if their are any inaccuracies in this, I'm sorry. I looked over it and it all looks right to me, but I'm looking through exhausted eyes so...
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 1:13 am
What instrument are you writing for? If your basics in theory are lacking, it's not really a good idea to start out from the theoretical point of view because you're just going to get lost. Probably the first thing I'd consider is the range of a given instrument. For example it would be stupid to compose a violin solo where notes dipped lower than the lowest string because it would not be playable on a violin.
To answer your immediate question, anyway, an augmented interval is one that is a half-step (semitone) larger than the major interval, and a diminished is a half-step (semitone) smaller. A minor interval is also a half-step smaller than its corresponding major, but they play slightly different functions so don't get the two confused.
If you need more help with composition, I'd be glad to lend a hand but before you begin there is a lot to establish like what style of music you are composing, what key, what type of key (like minor, major, modal, etc.), and of course the basic sound, melody, harmony, texture, and form of the piece.
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Intellectual Elocutionist
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 1:18 am
Keakealani What instrument are you writing for? If your basics in theory are lacking, it's not really a good idea to start out from the theoretical point of view because you're just going to get lost. Probably the first thing I'd consider is the range of a given instrument. For example it would be stupid to compose a violin solo where notes dipped lower than the lowest string because it would not be playable on a violin.
To answer your immediate question, anyway, an augmented interval is one that is a half-step (semitone) larger than the major interval, and a diminished is a half-step (semitone) smaller. A minor interval is also a half-step smaller than its corresponding major, but they play slightly different functions so don't get the two confused.
If you need more help with composition, I'd be glad to lend a hand but before you begin there is a lot to establish like what style of music you are composing, what key, what type of key (like minor, major, modal, etc.), and of course the basic sound, melody, harmony, texture, and form of the piece. I think it' guitar... That's what I tried to get across. I tried to give a little bit of knowledge on Theory. But Their are so much different scales and modes thatHe'll probably get lost. Ionian... Dorian... Phrygian... Lydian... Mixolydian... Aeolian... Locrian. Then the Pentatonics, Hungarian.... It seems endless! But He'll get nowhere if he cant feel the solo inside him. It has to sound good, not just a scale played straight through.
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 1:22 am
*nods* your post was very accurate, as well. I just thought I'd throw in a slightly different perspective.
That's one of the problems with composition is that amateurs have a lot to learn before they'll make something that sounds good. Hell, I've been composing for years and studying theory for longer and everything I make sounds like crap. I give a lot of kudos to people who can come in and write something that sounds good.
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Intellectual Elocutionist
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 1:25 am
Keakealani *nods* your post was very accurate, as well. I just thought I'd throw in a slightly different perspective.
That's one of the problems with composition is that amateurs have a lot to learn before they'll make something that sounds good. Hell, I've been composing for years and studying theory for longer and everything I make sounds like crap. I give a lot of kudos to people who can come in and write something that sounds good. Why thank you. I wasn't sure if I messed anything up. I don't sleep much (Insomnia)... I believe I write good, and a lot of people back that notion up. Hopefully the starter of this tread get's everything I said. Did I explain it alright enough for a beginner to comprehend fully?
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 1:28 am
sweatdrop I'd never know, honestly...I've always been able to catch on to theory really quickly (which is why I turned towards composition in the first place) so it makes perfect sense to me but I'm not sure a beginner would necessarily be able to get every bit of it.
I was really lucky to have a lot of great music teachers who were able to really explain this stuff.
as an aside, it's kind of cool that there are actually two people active in this guild at the same time...usually when I post I have to wait a few hours before anyone answers.
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Intellectual Elocutionist
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 1:31 am
Yeah, I know. It is refreshing to see another person posting!
But yeah. I don't know. I was self-taught so I had to learn everything on my own. I swear Books suck!!!!! They never explain things clearly. That's going to be my goal... If I ever get enough money and such, I'm going to make a theory book that's stupidly easily to understand!
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 1:46 am
Hm, I have a couple of music theory books and I like them, although sometimes it takes a while before I really get what it's talking about.
I also really like a lot of interactive websites like Teoria and musictheory.net. They're often a bit easier to understand because they can also play stuff back and show interactive examples. The ear training stuff is also really useful.
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 1:52 am
I've never gotten any theory book the first couple times I read it. I just don't think they explain everything clearly.
This one book I have tried to talk about Modes in a certain section, but They didn't explain Modes until later on in the book, and gave no hint what-so-ever that what they was teaching me was related to a "Mode"
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 2:02 am
eep, that sucks. That sort of reminds me of my math textbook last year...it kept on talking about things it never covered in the textbook which made it really hard to understand. My teacher sucked, too XD
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 2:11 am
I had that problem too!!!!
I'm a metalhead, which isn't great to be in the Ghetto. So Someone would call me a queer or whatever cause of me having long hair and I'd beat the holy hell out of them and get suspended.
When I came back, the teacher would be talking about stuff like Co-sine's and stuff. I asked what it was and she'd start talking about Tangents and things... So I never knew what the hell was going on. She hated me anyhow... Goddamn Ghetto...
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Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 3:38 pm
Hey, thanks, but I'm still a bit confused crying
So what exactly are the intervals?
I have very little knowledge in theory, and I've tried musictheory.net, that didn't help me much sweatdrop
I have the attention span of a gnat, and if I get confused, I tend to give up very quickly, however I'm trying to push a lot harder than usual on this.
[And yes, I play the guitar]
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Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 6:50 pm
Ryan Pwnz Hey, thanks, but I'm still a bit confused crying So what exactly are the intervals? I have very little knowledge in theory, and I've tried musictheory.net, that didn't help me much sweatdrop I have the attention span of a gnat, and if I get confused, I tend to give up very quickly, however I'm trying to push a lot harder than usual on this. [And yes, I play the guitar] Hm.. i just improvise around the songs main riff, using a pentatonic or blues scales.. you could try that.
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