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 Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 1:36 pm
once our morals were given to us, but now the structures that exist no longer influence as many people. i believe that it is our responsibility to know right and wrong, but in a world where nearly anything can be justified and the cliche 'it is not wrong if you dont get caught' prevail how are we to know for certain what is right and wrong? by what standards can we judge for ourselves?
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 5:17 pm
many would say "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" is a good foundation for morals, which is good in prompting us to do good acts. but i think this golden rule must be paired, to have a strong foundation, with the rule "do not unto others what you would not have them do unto you." but this is just a foundation, and morals must be built up from there - especially in cases where there is no clearly defined right and wrong, where both options are easily justified as right...at this point the person needs to decide which right is more important to them, and i don't know how people come to that decision, i just know that we all have had to or will have to, at least once in our lives.
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 6:18 am
yes, the golden rule is very good and long rooted in philosophy, i believe as far back as Plato and the Greek golden age. another similar rule has been adopted by the new agers and wiccan, but it comes from older 'occult' traditions and the is "do what thou wilt shall be whole of the law" as quoted from The Book of the Law by Aleister Crowley, below it also states that "The law is Love, Love under Will" though he did not create this he has popularized it as the law of Thelema.
While this can be a powerful tool for those educated properly for everyone else it can be a tool of deception, as it is easily used to justify just about any behavior. its not my way but i thought i would mention it. i cant wait to see what others have to say.
good day all
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 12:24 am
AbrAbraxas yes, the golden rule is very good and long rooted in philosophy, i believe as far back as Plato and the Greek golden age. another similar rule has been adopted by the new agers and wiccan, but it comes from older 'occult' traditions and the is "do what thou wilt shall be whole of the law" as quoted from The Book of the Law by Aleister Crowley, below it also states that "The law is Love, Love under Will" though he did not create this he has popularized it as the law of Thelema. While this can be a powerful tool for those educated properly for everyone else it can be a tool of deception, as it is easily used to justify just about any behavior. its not my way but i thought i would mention it. i cant wait to see what others have to say. good day all ah yes. i actually chose not to bring up the book of the law because it is so easily twisted... but i am familiar with it.
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Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 8:39 am
though i own a copy, i have never read it all the way. the law as told is not from Crowley. "do what tho wilt" was coined by someone else before Crowley's time. i think it was François Rabelais in the 16th century. truly it is a powerful law yet it is easily bent as you said.
iam hoping that other people will have some more ideas of how to guide ourselves in the wilderness of life.
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Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 12:39 pm
well, crowley never claimed to have come up with the law. the book of the law was, supposedly, narrated to him after he successfully invoked the ancient egyptian god horus, and crowley spent much of his life trying to understand it, and wrote two books on the subject...
"do what thou wilt" specifically though, may have come from rabelais...that sounds familiar.
as for right now, i have nothing more to say about moral philosophy, though i'm sure i will in the future.
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Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 12:46 pm
Just read any religeons bible. Just about every one has a kind of ten commandments. GO by that.
Dont kill
dont steal
Dont take the lords name in vain( dont cuss)
Don't commit adultry( dont have sex with people who you arn't married to, and only marry one person)
etc.
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Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 1:13 pm
we are getting away from the original topic. what i really want to discuss is how can we know for ourselves what is right and wrong. yes of course many people in many times have had much to say about what we should and should not do. yes we could follow them on their word but then we are just following the thoughts and ideas of others, perhaps with no consideration for ourselves about the meaning or the truth of a moral life. it doesnt work like that. look at the ten commandments, then think about all of the people that the jews and christians have killed. obviously they did nto embody those commandments and we have been raised haphazardly i might add in a world where people think it is ok to do what feels right, or more accurately do what feels good. you know why? because now we are worshiping the consumer system, we are really being raised by advertising. "those who control your eyeballs control your thoughts and control your brain. learn how to use your brain, learn how to redesign your reality." tim leary from How to Operate Your Brain
we have to think for ourselves and to do that if there is any morality it has to be found by the individual, for his own use.
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Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 2:20 pm
Dude nobody controlls my brain. I exist, and I have free will. I can controll my mind, and my body in any way I want, and that is a fact. IT's just some thigns are bad to do or think, argo right and wrong. It's simply said that if it hurts sombody in any way at all it is either wrong, or a tough decision like firing sombody or punishing a child.
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Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 2:23 pm
abraxas...idk how people determine for themselves what is moral and immoral. i have done it, but i dont know how. i guess the solution just lies in looking within ourselves, questioning ourselves, until we know what we feel is right.
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Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 2:56 pm
Is morality a moral? Lol.
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