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 Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 11:04 am
I would say that death is not necessarily unavoidable. I think that as humans, our tendencies go more towards "Most of the human species, and other species, have died before, so therefore we will die" which, while being a good observation and reasonable conclusion, may not be correct at all.
In fact, one's own mortality can never be proven to one's self, as the second they died, it would not be able to be proven to them that they in fact died. If they could perceive it in an afterlife, they would still be alive. If they got resuscitated they would still be alive. Death everlasting cannot be proven to the one dying, only to all those around them, and even then, they would find it difficult to disprove an afterlife.
On the same side of things, though, immortality could also never be proven without the ability to see infinitely into the future. If one was truly immortal, they would not be able to know that. They could never be certain that someday they would not just die. They may be able to prove that they have amazing longevity, and are difficult to kill, but impossibility is very difficult to prove in this case.
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 8:33 pm
Yes. Actually, I believe longevity might be able to be added, to a point, but there is no escape from the experience of death, except in the case of being transfered directly to heaven, but I don't believe in a rapture, so that means of escaping death isn't really a worry for me. I just don't want to have a meaningless death, to be honest.
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 11:08 pm
The inevitability of death seems the only logical conclusion is the face of evidence currently available.
i.e.-Everything that has lived has also died, so that which currently lives will almost surely die at some time in the future.
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 3:39 am
Um... maybe I'm just being daft, but am I the only one who thinks this is a bit of a silly topic? Of course death is inevitable! For the most part it's easier to define "alive" as "not being dead" than it is to say "dead" is "not being alive". Do we really need to waste the time and effort applying logical arguments to it?
There's the question of an afterlife, but even that's defined as "life after death". In that sense, then whether or not True Death is inevitable (that is, the state of non-existence) is a good question, but all living things eventually die, one way or another.
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 4:56 am
Rhoswen Aegea Um... maybe I'm just being daft, but am I the only one who thinks this is a bit of a silly topic? Of course death is inevitable! For the most part it's easier to define "alive" as "not being dead" than it is to say "dead" is "not being alive". Do we really need to waste the time and effort applying logical arguments to it? There's the question of an afterlife, but even that's defined as "life after death". In that sense, then whether or not True Death is inevitable (that is, the state of non-existence) is a good question, but all living things eventually die, one way or another. I am basing this on a completely valid point. Scientists are currently unable to define life, and have even admitted that our only knowledge of it is very limited because we tend to make assumptions based on what has happened. Since realism is a failed way of thinking, and the universe moves more towards entropy every second, there should be no rule saying death is inevitable, just highly likely.
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 5:48 am
I think the question shouldn't be "is it avoidable?" but rather "is immortality desirable?"
Now, I am one of those people who panics all the time about not having enough time left. I am over 20. If I manage to live to be the same age as my grandparents, a quarter of my life is already gone. That scares me. I'd do a lot of things to be able to have some more time.
But would I want immortality? Part of what drives me is knowing that there will be an end, so I must accomplish things. I must truly LIVE because someday I won't be able to anymore. Without that drive, I would become lazy. I would stop appreciating each and every single day. I would stop trying new things to feel alive because I will have no fear of losing my ability to. So for me, anyways, becoming immortal = dying.
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 6:54 am
I'd say that at least when I "die" I'd be on a completely different plane of existence than when I was alive. Most likely I'd lose all sense of self.
Heh, sure beats the alternative life after death. I'd hate to be conscious as I am now and completely unable to sense anything and stuck in the ground.
At any rate, I don't think this means we don't die. Dying by our terms simply means that something is gone from any plane of existence we can relate to or contact.
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:35 am
"Death is a disease, it's like any other. And there's a cure."
Sorry, this just reminded me of that quote. I've toyed with the idea that we die simply because we are taught our whole lives that it happens. But I'm not sure. I think that for now it is inevitable. We wear out and there's nothing to completely save ourselves from that. In the future there might be ways to live a long time or even forever, but who knows how far away that is.
At least for most people there is the comfort of life after death, or even another life on Earth.
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 6:11 pm
I don't exactly believe there's such thing as an afterlife. Yet, no one can ever define what is Life and what is Death. In a broad sense, Life is basically existence in this world, while Death is where you leave this world.
However, I do believe in a karma, where when you die, you become reborn as a different being, and unaware that you had existed in the life before. It's like the theory that energy can never be created, nor can it be destroyed, but gets reused over and over.
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Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 6:45 pm
This is kind of interesting, especially for one such as myself who believes in theosis.
But in order to find out if death is inevitable or not, we must first define death. Is it when the soul leaves the body? When the body ceases functioning? Once the body begins decomposing even slightly? When the soul leaves the body and is unable to return? When the soul fully leaves this plane of existance? Or what about if one looses themselves?
Once a definition for death is obtained, then we can determine if it is inevitable or not. For some of those definitions, there are many people who still walk this planet who have died. Some argue that Out Of Body Experiences are when the soul leaves the body. Same with Astral Projection. Some people are quadrapolegics, or braindead. Your body technically begins decomposing after birth because of individual cells dying and being replaced. etc.
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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 6:41 pm
A mixture of nitrogen, oxygen, argon, and carbon dioxide causes death when ingested in small amounts over a period of 75-100 years.
So yeah, I'd say death is pretty damn inevitable.
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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 8:55 pm
Semper Fiasco A mixture of nitrogen, oxygen, argon, and carbon dioxide causes death when ingested in small amounts over a period of 75-100 years. So yeah, I'd say death is pretty damn inevitable. That has been the case for every human being that has lived thus far, but if you took that as reliable information, then being on the moon would have been impossible 200 years ago. I am saying that death is not inevitable, but instead very difficult to avoid.
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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 10:51 pm
Tammy-Seignfree Semper Fiasco A mixture of nitrogen, oxygen, argon, and carbon dioxide causes death when ingested in small amounts over a period of 75-100 years. So yeah, I'd say death is pretty damn inevitable. That has been the case for every human being that has lived thus far, but if you took that as reliable information, then being on the moon would have been impossible 200 years ago. I am saying that death is not inevitable, but instead very difficult to avoid. Esactly. All you have to do is stop taking in corbon dioxide, argon, nitrogen, and oh wait, oxygen. Well, looks like either way, you're going to die.
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 1:03 am
Shinta Hitokiri Tammy-Seignfree Semper Fiasco A mixture of nitrogen, oxygen, argon, and carbon dioxide causes death when ingested in small amounts over a period of 75-100 years. So yeah, I'd say death is pretty damn inevitable. That has been the case for every human being that has lived thus far, but if you took that as reliable information, then being on the moon would have been impossible 200 years ago. I am saying that death is not inevitable, but instead very difficult to avoid. Esactly. All you have to do is stop taking in corbon dioxide, argon, nitrogen, and oh wait, oxygen. Well, looks like either way, you're going to die. But it is not proven that there is not a way to live without those, or to live forever with them. The only evidence is what has happened thus far. Technology advances faster than predictable (tell someone 200 years ago about the internet, it'll baffle them) it is not unforeseeable that immortality could be possible.
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 5:07 am
While I would endorse living longer (they're trying to set the halt of aging gene to come in earlier, as of now once you hit around 96 age does nothing more to you) I would still say death is inevitable because after living long enough you just might be lucky to see the sun go red giant on your butt and toast you.
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