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Romeo for Tay Vice Captain
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 12:54 am
Writer's Tips
This forum is for a certain purpose: to give writing tips. Now, I know, I know... this is a literate guild, right? But, we're not perfect. Sometimes, too much description may be too confusing, too little not enough. You see, novel/short story writing can be much different than role playing. When role playing, you are creating a story with others, playing and using your characters to obtain and purposefully retrieve a point. hat can either be reached through dialogue, description, action, and much more, depending on what you choose to reach the point with.
When writing your own stories, things are a little different. Of course, in your stories, you are always striving for something; characters always have their goals in stories you may read, right? But, you have to lengthen that given purpose, give it plot, long detail and dialogue/storyline to go with it. It's not getting straight into things! With novel writing and short story writing, you want to use as little and well-thought out dialogue as possible, because with too much you just can't fit storyline into. When they're both colliding, the story may end up a bit of a mess.
Now, this thread is for tips on both subjects, plus much more in description, dialogue, action, and other writing technique sources! Unlike the school where you can practice this stuff, this thread is where everyone can come together with their novel writing, poetry help, and much more! Now, I'm not much one for poetry help, or I would have some hints here. I need a bit of help with poetry myself. But, anyway, please be kind to all on critiqued, and grade fairly as well giving tips.
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 1:01 am
~Member's Tips~ This is where special and great hints provided by you members will go. These may be helpful, since you all, I'm sure, have wonderful things to provide, so you never know when something great might come along!Quote: This one is from Mortal Being who simplified the focused ideas of those categories and other/~Rp'ing is generally focused on a character ~Poetry is generally focused on an emotion ~Short stories are generally focused on scenes (moments) ~Novels are generally focused on exploring ideas --- A great way to get into what you're writing and make it feel genuine and realistic falls 90% on your characters alone. 10% falls on your word usage/set up in general haha. But characters are an essential part to any story. So of course that's kind of a given, but how to use them to make sure you get a good story? Before I write a story I usually do the basic graph of a character, pretty much a profile that I'd post for an rp. Well that's all find and dandy, you can get some good stuff out of it but it doesn't dig too far into the depth of what probably should be done. Every character has a life, start to really look into it. Find out why they tick the way they do. Are they generally upset? Start writing out why they are upset. How they got that way, what they did before they got that way, can they change? What would it take to change? Stuff like that really helps build up your characters. Don't stop there though, for every character you have, no matter who they are, even if it just a bartender, do a good profile on it, something that stretches over 20 lines. Yes that's a large amount, but after I started to do that for my characters I ended up having stuff that tied in with each other, an intercaste history, and came up with tons of stuff that I'll be able to use in the future...granted I gained probably a page load of stuff that I won't use, but who knows I just might, it is there for me when I need it haha. By the way, the thing that really brought this to my attention was watching Bleach and seeing how everything was just connected together through history of the characters. So once I got to thinking about that, I just got to thinking about how true it is, if you have great characters build up, no matter the plot, you're always going to have something going on with them. Quote: Here's a few things from Callista Ohtarwen!Tip for novels: If and when you are writing your personal transcript copy, it should be in a plain font and double spaced. If there is a section you want italicised, you are supposed to bold it as well. The reasons for these being that: A fancy font may not translate to a different copy, be available for printing as occasionally happens, or make it difficult to read. An average novel page has 250 words per page, that is the standard. When you type double spaced that is about how much you get per page. As well, that makes it easier to read- and usually your transcripts still have editing work to be done. I know it's a pain to have to bold something you don't want bolded, right? Not to mention it might screw something up in the appearance. But for a publisher or an editor reviewing your work it's important to draw furthur attention to your italics which can often be overlooked.
Poets and Bards: Haha yeah that's right. I said bards Anyways don't be afraid of form, rhyme and grammar. Form and Rhyme don't neccesarily need to be there but Grammar tells you where to read and how to read it.
Comma's. Don't over use them. I have a tendancy to do that and it's horrible. Use "-" where you can- or just don't make run on sentances that need them. There really is no need for brackets "(" ")" outside of novels and even then, generally it's only used to show humour or a satiristic approach in novels. Take The Princess Bride by Golding or The Hobbit by JRR Tolkien for example. Quote: Yukito Yu has a nice warning about how to keep people from claiming your writing as theirs!If you're looking for a way to help prevent someone from stealing your work, the easiest way to do it is to snail-mail yourself a copy in a sealed envelope and when you get it store it away without opening it. That way if someone a month or a year later tries to claim your work as theres, you have a seal envelopped dated by the government postal service proving you wrote it on such and such a date. It's also good to include a few signatures of other people validating you wrote the piece. Quote: creaturelover00 has given some more tips and help!Commas. They are wonderful when used correctly. Admittedly, don't over use them because they can provoke run-ons. Commas and breaks are two of the writer's most important tools. They are required for they separate ideas and join them together in pending cases. The hyphen should never be used in substitution for a comma. Commas join ideas, hyphens combine words to create hyphenated words (such as in-depth or year-old) or allow more information on a subject to be written. While commas also allow more information, they combine multiple clauses or phrases which is a job a hyphen can not perform. For instance: When the boy left the house, he also left his cat, dog, and parakeet without someone to care for them. A hyphen would be more useful in a sentence like this: The boy left his pets -a cat, a dog, and a parakeet- without someone to care for them when he left the house. Same sentence, but the usage of the tools are different. Now for other stuff. Breaks. Breaks are important tools in literary works. The separate ideas or help determine actions. One section may be about the environment and the other about your character. Another use of breaks is when a new person speaks, a break is required. So if your protagonist and his brother were in a conversation, every time the pro. states something in alternation with his brother, make a break. If your character says something, does an action, and says something else; a break is not required nor recommended. One more thing. Breaks do not need to skip a line. Just hit [enter] and that's a break. lajksjdljda [break] khaskdjhk NOT: asdhjask [break] [break] asdsaasdd Although you may write as such if that is your style. However; in formal texts such as essays or an analysis, the latter is improper. A simple break and indent is all that is required. Style. Every writer should have his own style. It's exactly like art. My writings will be different than someone's such as Mortal Beings. That includes grammatical usage and the vocabulary I use. He'll say confused, I'll say turbid; he'll say eradicate, I'll say expunge. Same denotation, different style. --- Whoot fer impatientacity. [I will shoot you if you thought I actually meant any of that spelling/made up English] Callista's right, but using description too much will get you shot. Here's a good ratio. Per paragraph [eight sentences] : -One can be the character's name. -Two can be about something else [starting with the item or a verb]. +One of those two might be figurative language. +The other can be with a secondary item in relation with your character, your character's actions, or your character's position. -Three can start with pronouns. +They must be rotated pronouns or the sentences must be spread apart. +Two of the same pronouns in a row is just blegh. -Two can begin with a verb or adjective but the sentence still be directly about your character. +Like, "The gender..." It's rare in stories to have a single paragraph that long anyways. Subjects are generally rotated between paragraphs to provide aspects of different views or different parts of the event. Either that or matching subject but the main focus will change [oddly worded, soz]. That's the format I -generally- follow. I guessed that mostly up, so don't hold me to it. Please. Pronoun issues are problems that are easily missed, easily ignored, but hard as -heck- to fix. I wouldn't worry to much about it~
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Romeo for Tay Vice Captain
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Romeo for Tay Vice Captain
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 1:10 am
~Wonderful Helpers~
This is where wonderful members who agree to be on this list and are always welcome to give you tips on your writing if you would like a little help. Now remember you can also go to the school and get some help, but you can go to these people with a little help here and there. They will be put under the types of writing they would like to offer tips in, so contact them or ask them here if you would like.
There is none at the moment, but you can just simply ask to be here if you are a dedicated helper under such leagues as: Poetry, novel writing, short story writing, and various other things. This thread really isn't for role playing (The school is for that) so I wouldn prefer you not to think of that type. To be one, I may ask you to be here, or you can PM me with a good description of why you think you deserve to be a valiant helper to giving tips to people in the thread if they ask of you! ^_^
These people, if they would wish to be (which will be by their name) will be counted as reviewers. Only ask them to review something if such a title is there, though. =o
~Helpers for Novel-Writing: Romeo for Tay Mortal Being -Open for Reviewing- Callista Ohtarwen creaturelover00 -Open for Reviewing-
~Helpers for Short-Story Writing: Romeo for Tay Mortal Being -Open for Reviewing- Callista Ohtarwen creaturelover00 -Open for Reviewing-
~Helpers for Poetry: KattychildofGod -Open for Reviewing-
~Helpers for Fanfiction: creaturelover00 -Open for Reviewing-
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Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 7:24 am
Hey smile I'll be a helper for novels or poetry. I'm better with helping OTHERS at short stories and essay's then writing them myself but uh yeah. Lol.
Tip for novels: If and when you are writing your personal transcript copy, it should be in a plain font and double spaced. If there is a section you want italicised, you are supposed to bold it as well. The reasons for these being that: A fancy font may not translate to a different copy, be available for printing as occasionally happens, or make it difficult to read. An average novel page has 250 words per page, that is the standard. When you type double spaced that is about how much you get per page. As well, that makes it easier to read- and usually your transcripts still have editing work to be done. I know it's a pain to have to bold something you don't want bolded, right? Not to mention it might screw something up in the appearance. But for a publisher or an editor reviewing your work it's important to draw furthur attention to your italics which can often be overlooked.
Poets and Bards: Haha yeah that's right. I said bards xd Anyways don't be afraid of form, rhyme and grammar. Form and Rhyme don't neccesarily need to be there but Grammar tells you where to read and how to read it.
Comma's. Don't over use them. I have a tendancy to do that and it's horrible. Use "-" where you can- or just don't make run on sentances that need them. There really is no need for brackets "(" ")" outside of novels and even then, generally it's only used to show humour or a satiristic approach in novels. Take The Princess Bride by Golding or The Hobbit by JRR Tolkien for example.
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Romeo for Tay Vice Captain
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Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 3:55 pm
Wonderful! I'll be sure to put you up, then. Thanks, too. =^^=
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Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 4:24 pm
I agree with Callista. This just goes a bit more in-depth in concern of hyphens and commas.
Commas. They are wonderful when used correctly. Admittedly, don't over use them because they can provoke run-ons. Commas and breaks are two of the writer's most important tools. They are required for they separate ideas and join them together in pending cases. The hyphen should never be used in substitution for a comma. Commas join ideas, hyphens combine words to create hyphenated words (such as in-depth or year-old) or allow more information on a subject to be written. While commas also allow more information, they combine multiple clauses or phrases which is a job a hyphen can not perform. For instance: When the boy left the house, he also left his cat, dog, and parakeet without someone to care for them. A hyphen would be more useful in a sentence like this: The boy left his pets -a cat, a dog, and a parakeet- without someone to care for them when he left the house. Same sentence, but the usage of the tools are different.
Now for other stuff.
Breaks. Breaks are important tools in literary works. The separate ideas or help determine actions. One section may be about the environment and the other about your character. Another use of breaks is when a new person speaks, a break is required. So if your protagonist and his brother were in a conversation, every time the pro. states something in alternation with his brother, make a break. If your character says something, does an action, and says something else; a break is not required nor recommended. One more thing. Breaks do not need to skip a line. Just hit [enter] and that's a break. lajksjdljda [break] khaskdjhk NOT: asdhjask [break] [break] asdsaasdd Although you may write as such if that is your style. However; in formal texts such as essays or an analysis, the latter is improper. A simple break and indent is all that is required.
Style. Every writer should have his own style. It's exactly like art. My writings will be different than someone's such as Mortal Beings. That includes grammatical usage and the vocabulary I use. He'll say confused, I'll say turbid; he'll say eradicate, I'll say expunge. Same denotation, different style.
That's it [for now]. That was fun to write and I have no idea why. I hope it was helpful though.
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Romeo for Tay Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 4:39 pm
Ohh, glad someone could add more to it. Definitely good things to know. =3
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Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 8:12 pm
Uhm... it's all good and all, but I only read the ones that really came out at me, meaning I didn't read it all. Sooo... I have a question. How would you start a sentence other than using pronouns..? I know it's pretty stupid and should be easily figured out, but I hate it when I keep typing things like, "she did..." "she had..." "she { blahblahblah }" ><
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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 8:49 am
Description.
That day, she had...
is one way.
If you go that way all you're doing is being like me smile I have a tendancy to do that rather badly actually. So I've been trying to start with descriptions instead which generally works except I'm bad at description being an "action writer" which basically just means I'm impatient with my stories lol.
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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 9:36 pm
Whoot fer impatientacity. [I will shoot you if you thought I actually meant any of that spelling/made up English] Callista's right, but using description too much will get you shot. Here's a good ratio. Per paragraph [eight sentences] : -One can be the character's name. -Two can be about something else [starting with the item or a verb]. +One of those two might be figurative language. +The other can be with a secondary item in relation with your character, your character's actions, or your character's position. -Three can start with pronouns. +They must be rotated pronouns or the sentences must be spread apart. +Two of the same pronouns in a row is just blegh. -Two can begin with a verb or adjective but the sentence still be directly about your character. +Like, "The gender..."
It's rare in stories to have a single paragraph that long anyways. Subjects are generally rotated between paragraphs to provide aspects of different views or different parts of the event. Either that or matching subject but the main focus will change [oddly worded, soz].
That's the format I -generally- follow. I guessed that mostly up, so don't hold me to it. Please. Pronoun issues are problems that are easily missed, easily ignored, but hard as -heck- to fix. I wouldn't worry to much about it~
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Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 8:34 pm
Wow that's some good stuff there! Great break down of the paragraph ^_^
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 9:34 pm
well I started to think about my writing lately. I fell in a rut, and just felt like none of my writing was good. I kept thinking about how I phrased stuff, how the characters just felt out of place and that it really didn't have a real true feeling to me. Some stuff though I feel good about, like the new revision of "always", but other than that my writing is starting to feel bland.
So I tried to think of ways to improve, to inspire me to write more and get back on track. Well then it hit me.
A great way to get into what you're writing and make it feel genuine and realistic falls 90% on your characters alone. 10% falls on your word usage/set up in general haha. But characters are an essential part to any story. So of course that's kind of a given, but how to use them to make sure you get a good story? Before I write a story I usually do the basic graph of a character, pretty much a profile that I'd post for an rp. Well that's all find and dandy, you can get some good stuff out of it but it doesn't dig too far into the depth of what probably should be done. Every character has a life, start to really look into it. Find out why they tick the way they do. Are they generally upset? Start writing out why they are upset. How they got that way, what they did before they got that way, can they change? What would it take to change? Stuff like that really helps build up your characters. Don't stop there though, for every character you have, no matter who they are, even if it just a bartender, do a good profile on it, something that stretches over 20 lines. Yes that's a large amount, but after I started to do that for my characters I ended up having stuff that tied in with each other, an intercaste history, and came up with tons of stuff that I'll be able to use in the future...granted I gained probably a page load of stuff that I won't use, but who knows I just might, it is there for me when I need it haha.
By the way, the thing that really brought this to my attention was watching Bleach and seeing how everything was just connected together through history of the characters. So once I got to thinking about that, I just got to thinking about how true it is, if you have great characters build up, no matter the plot, you're always going to have something going on with them.
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