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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 8:16 pm
Basiclly im huge a shiznat fan. i really really like this pairing and shojo-ai. so i figured until i have enough gold to open a guild bout them i'll just post a topic. so start talking about anything shiznat. biggrin shiznat fans unite!! whee
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Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 1:00 am
LOL
I love it. So upfront.
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Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 2:47 am
I like shiznat in the sense that it's painful and never going to be resolved. It's just a look you don't often see in anime pairings. They both genuinely care for each other so much, but it's not in the same way.
I'm a fan of the miserable complexities in it. Good lord, I sound like Walt Whitman, ew.
NOT a fan however of the shiznat in Otome. That infuriated me the way the characters became nothing more than fanservice. Blech.
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Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 6:21 pm
i know excatly wat u mean. i hope that the next mai hime series doesn't reduce them to fanservice. smile
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Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 11:32 pm
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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 2:02 am
Yuri_shoujo I like shiznat in the sense that it's painful and never going to be resolved. It's just a look you don't often see in anime pairings. They both genuinely care for each other so much, but it's not in the same way. It's a look you don't see often? Unrequited best-friend love is probably the most common cliche of yuri anime and manga. XD:; For example, Tomoyo/Sakura in CCS, and in THIS anime which I don't remember the name of.... lol, if I had more time I could come up with a very long list. That's not even counting all the one-shot stories and doujinshi that use that theme. I don't know why, but people adore this one-sided best friend love thing. Personally, I think it's getting old, and I'd like to see something more original. (Like a happy end? Where they actually get together and the fans don't have to invent all these excuses to get them to sleep together?? OH MY GOD.) That was cute and tragic with Tomoyo X Sakura in CCS. That is one of the very few series where the relationship was never abused for comic effect. Tomoyo's love felt genuine. If I had to pick one instance where I thought this type of relationship was well done, it would be Tomoyo/Sakura. (Even though I was really miffed by the ending) Shizuru/Natsuki feels much more shallow to me. What Shizuru shows isn't really true love, but true obsession. Not saying that that doesn't make for a cool story element, but all the same it doesn't exactly set up an ideal relationship either. Especially since it seems pretty obvious that Natsuki is completely asexual. =P And I hate how we never got to see Shizuru's descent into CRAZYTIME, which would have been awesome to see over the course of the series. But most of all, I hate how this relationship had the potential to be really developed and explored in interesting ways, but instead was watered down into a slew of cliche, completely out-of-character fanservice, which the fans are just gobbling up. As for whether then next Mai Hime series will milk the shiznat cow for more fanservice, you can bet they will. Seeing as shiznat seems to be the only reason half the fans are still sticking with the series, I can't see how Sunrise would be foolish enough to go through the trouble of making a real story where they actually act in-character. I hate to be so pessimistic about it, but that's my two cents. =P
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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 8:15 am
Well said. Shizuru wouldn't have become what she did if her affection was returned either. I would have liked to see what that person would be, and what her counterpart (Natsuki) would have been given she could return those feelings. However, the reason Mai Hime appealed to me personally was because at that time I was in a very similar situation and it helped to understand what was happening to me.
Thing is, Mai Hime had nearly every relationship dynamic distributed among all the characters. Makes sense, as the main component of having a child was the individual's most important person. And there are many ways a person can be held dear.
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 7:28 pm
you guys are right but i still have a love for this tragic and almost odd pairing. biggrin
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Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 2:24 pm
make this guild! so we can further dicuss the angst of mai-hime and the shoddy fanservice in mai-otome!
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Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 9:20 pm
Yamino Tenshi Yuri_shoujo I like shiznat in the sense that it's painful and never going to be resolved. It's just a look you don't often see in anime pairings. They both genuinely care for each other so much, but it's not in the same way. It's a look you don't see often? Unrequited best-friend love is probably the most common cliche of yuri anime and manga. XD:; For example, Tomoyo/Sakura in CCS, and in THIS anime which I don't remember the name of.... lol, if I had more time I could come up with a very long list. That's not even counting all the one-shot stories and doujinshi that use that theme. I don't know why, but people adore this one-sided best friend love thing. Personally, I think it's getting old, and I'd like to see something more original. (Like a happy end? Where they actually get together and the fans don't have to invent all these excuses to get them to sleep together?? OH MY GOD.) That was cute and tragic with Tomoyo X Sakura in CCS. That is one of the very few series where the relationship was never abused for comic effect. Tomoyo's love felt genuine. If I had to pick one instance where I thought this type of relationship was well done, it would be Tomoyo/Sakura. (Even though I was really miffed by the ending) Shizuru/Natsuki feels much more shallow to me. What Shizuru shows isn't really true love, but true obsession. Not saying that that doesn't make for a cool story element, but all the same it doesn't exactly set up an ideal relationship either. Especially since it seems pretty obvious that Natsuki is completely asexual. =P And I hate how we never got to see Shizuru's descent into CRAZYTIME, which would have been awesome to see over the course of the series. Hmm, I dunno. I still felt like it was a little different. More on Natsuki's end than anything else, like she deeply cared and was really sorry that she couldn't love her back. Then again, I haven't seen that many shoujo ai series that flat out are obvious that way. Hinted, sure, but not flat out saying they're lesbian. I didn't see much of CCS, so I can't say much about that, other than omg, 12 year olds, there shouldn't be sexual s**t going on there D: lulz, anime. I don't know about the true love thing either. There was definitely obsession going on there, but I still like to think the HiME stuff had a role in that. She started crying and was normal again when she was reincarnated, sooo... I dunno. I've always just thought there were extra forces at work there. Which would also explain the lack of crazy time descent. And even if it was just flat out obsession, it can still be love. Just an unhealthy kind XD; Quote: But most of all, I hate how this relationship had the potential to be really developed and explored in interesting ways, but instead was watered down into a slew of cliche, completely out-of-character fanservice, which the fans are just gobbling up. Concured. Maybe that's what I meant by unique, is what it had the possibility to be. But nooo, Sunrise went "What?! This is anime! Depth? NEVER! GO TITTY SEX POWER!" D: s**t me. I also agree that they're going to continue this bullshittery ):
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Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 5:53 am
Yuri_shoujo Hmm, I dunno. I still felt like it was a little different. More on Natsuki's end than anything else, like she deeply cared and was really sorry that she couldn't love her back. Oh, I definitely agree with that. In that sense, it is more uncommon, because usually in anime the gay best friend unrequited love is never really realized, or else some crazy s**t happens when the straight one finds out (ala Shiori and Juri in Utena... poor Juri... D: ) Yuri_shoujo I didn't see much of CCS, so I can't say much about that, other than omg, 12 year olds, there shouldn't be sexual s**t going on there D: lulz, anime. There was nothing sexual about it, which is why I thought they did such an amazing job. Too often, anime seems to confuse what love is, and I think that CLAMP did an incredible job showing just that... not insane possessive obsession, not lust, but real love. Of course there are always fans that want to twist that into their own crude interpretations. Sunrise didn't even give fans the chance, they do it for us. =P Yuri_shoujo I don't know about the true love thing either. There was definitely obsession going on there, but I still like to think the HiME stuff had a role in that. She started crying and was normal again when she was reincarnated, sooo... I dunno. If you call becoming completely open about her fanaticism and groping groping Natsuki in public being "normal," lol. Although you're probably right about the Hime forces being at work and affecting people. Everyone started to get rather unstable at that point, although I think it was more to do with all the people dying and the fear that their "most special person" would be next. In any case, I think it's redundant to try to psychoanalyze the characters in Hime (and especially Otome) very deeply... in the end, the writer's interests weren't to write realistic characters. (And the situation with ShizNat is probably the best example of that) Not that there's anything wrong with taking occasional artistic license, but... it would be nice if occasionally they acted in ways that... made sense, rather than make moe.
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Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 8:40 pm
Yamino Tenshi If you call becoming completely open about her fanaticism and groping groping Natsuki in public being "normal," lol. Although you're probably right about the Hime forces being at work and affecting people. Everyone started to get rather unstable at that point, although I think it was more to do with all the people dying and the fear that their "most special person" would be next. In any case, I think it's redundant to try to psychoanalyze the characters in Hime (and especially Otome) very deeply... in the end, the writer's interests weren't to write realistic characters. (And the situation with ShizNat is probably the best example of that) Not that there's anything wrong with taking occasional artistic license, but... it would be nice if occasionally they acted in ways that... made sense, rather than make moe.I totally didn't think anything of the groping. Ask my best friend, srsly. Way normal. ninja
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 10:01 am
shiznat fans unite!! whee
sry just felt like saying that.... sweatdrop kinda needed the gold too....still raising money for mi guild....
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Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 10:19 am
money money money money! xd xd xd xd xd xd
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Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 10:18 pm
mushishigrl shiznat fans unite!! whee
sry just felt like saying that.... sweatdrop kinda needed the gold too....still raising money for mi guild....
Know what you mean I am still trying to save to make a guild it is hell XP.
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