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Captian Hammer: Was he really that bad?

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Lovova

PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 2:37 pm


I hate to make waves when I've only just joined, but I'm going to play the devils advocate here for a second, by bringing up this question.

Can you really classify Captian Hammer as a 'Bad Guy'?

First of all, I love Doctor Horrible, and thus dislike Captian Hammer because he is 'the nemesis'. And I understand Doctor Horrible was a guy more or less trying to make the world a better place in his own way, and didn't deserve to be abused by Captian Hammer at such a personal level (I.E. the comments about Penny).

But other then that, wasn't everything Captian Hammer did to stop Dr. Horrible, according to his job as a superhero, completely justified? Dr. Horrible was stealing gold from banks and hoping to 'freezray' people, and as a superhero it was Captian Hammers duty to make sure the good doctor didn't do these things. Plus, according to what we see on the video, he never goes terrebly overboard when stopping Dr Horrible; don't get me wrong, he's a complete bully, but he never goes as far as to even just break bones, which he could clearly easily do with his super strength.

I'd also like to point out his relationship with Penny wasn't a complete wash: for awhile there, Penny seemed genuinly happy with the guy, and later in the episode seemed only either bored by him or mildly turned off by his boorish attitude. And though he was a complete jerk about it during his speech, does that also take away from the fact that he was activly, even if it was just to please Penny (who, I'd also like to point out, due to certain comments in some of his lyrics, looked like he was honestly considering spending a long term relationship with her) , working to help the homeless?

I have a couple more points, but I feel like I'm ranting, and I'd love to hear some counter-arguments first before I bring them up. So, what do you guys think? Does Captian Hammer deserve the villainous description most fans put on him? If so, why? And if not, why not?

Also, and I hope this really doesn't need saying, but if you want to discuss, don't get angry about it. I'm just curious to see what people think about this.
PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 4:04 pm


Not meant to be rude.... but....didn't I already make this topic?


http://www.gaiaonline.com/guilds/viewtopic.php?t=16264747

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 10:46 pm


Captain Hammer is not evil at all, he is just egotistical and not very smart. He doesn't see the amount of not good he does.
Its one of the things I love so much about Joss Whedon, constantly blurs whatever lines he can. He makes us smile and think at the same time.
PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 11:48 pm


I feel, as a super hero, he's fine, he does his job, stops crime, etc. but as a guy, he's a jerk, For example, taking advantage of penny just to piss horrible off, and just being a general man whore, although that does have a negative impact on his heroing, because if you're distracted by objectifying women, it's kinda hard to fight crime, as seen in the same scene, where instead of calling him out on being Dr. Horrible, Captain H just humiliated him...atleast, that's how I feel

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 8:30 am


He was really only doing what society wanted him to do. There for he would be considered good by the people who agree with society however, Dr.Horrible did have his own opinion on what defines justice. Resulting in what Dr.Horrible would consider evil. Leaving all opinion behind Captain Hammers did not contradict Dr.Horrible because he disagreed with his opinion of justice or much less did he even consider to comprehend it, he just did as he saw required to be adored by as many people possible concluding that he wasn't really evil he was just arrogant.
PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 1:35 pm


I find it impossible to hate Captain Hammer, because he is played by Nathan Fillion. Who is God.
But I like Dr. Horrible, too.
Meh, I don't think he's too bad. He tries to help, he's just kind of stuck up...then again, since he as a superhero seems to have been put on a pedestal, it might not be entirely his fault.
Anyway, yay Nathan! Go!

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 7:58 pm


Well, it's not really a measure of justification, but of intentions; it's the fact that Captain Hammer's an egotistic jerk, a complete bully, and he abuses his power to have sex with the people he's saved. And let's not forget that he was going to kill Dr. Horrible in the homeless shelter scene instead of simply aiding in his arrest! Sure, he's a superhero - but Joss does a great job showing that not all superheros need to be nice guys. I would certainly consider him as a "Bad Guy" mostly because we follow Billy's point of view. However, not only is Captain Hammer the antagonist, he's just not doing his job as a superhero correctly. Don't get me wrong, that doesn't mean Dr. Horrible's anywhere near perfect! But Hammer is terribly corrupt, and that's the type of misuse of power Billy is trying to prevent for the most part.

What I really love about Dr. Horrible's Sing-Along Blog is just what Love to Paint mentioned before - Whedon "blurs the lines" in a way that makes us think. He displays in this picture that there is no true good or evil in humankind, only different viewpoints. Dr. Horrible's doing what he thinks is right, and Captain Hammer likewise. Truthfully, both are at fault in some way.
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